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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we shouldn't mention the youtube video of the NET growing pot in his apartment here in Korea.
Because that's only 1 NET not the group...right? |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Drew10 wrote: |
Maybe we shouldn't mention the youtube video of the NET growing pot in his apartment here in Korea.
Because that's only 1 NET not the group...right? |
Some Army guys have a knack for being more violent towards the locals, comparatively speaking, than NETs. |
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smartwentcrazy
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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| Not excusing their behavior, but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country. I don't think any of you could even fathom the price some of these soldiers have paid to keep this country and its inhabitants safe. |
If you aren't excusing their behavior...then don't.
"but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country."...this kind of proselytizing is comedy gold. 
...most aren't doing this (like most others on this planet) for any more than the fact that they are getting a paycheck for what they do�leave it at that. |
I'm merely pointing out this was an isolated incident and it shouldn't be representative of the the entire U.S. military personnel abroad. I've met some good GI's and some bad. There are bound to be some bad apples in the bunch. With that said, the same could be correlated to ESL teachers here. You're either ignorant or stupid to believe what they're doing isn't keeping citizens (foreign and Korean) safe. In the happenstance that war erupts, who are you going to depend on to save your ass from getting killed? It's clear you have an obvious bias against the military, and hey that's your prerogative, but the least you can do is show some respect to the serving men and women in the military. Without them we wouldn't have the luxury of teaching in a region that is under constant threat of war. And I'll be willing to bet you would only be saying these things behind the safety of your keyboard. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| Drew10 wrote: |
Maybe we shouldn't mention the youtube video of the NET growing pot in his apartment here in Korea.
Because that's only 1 NET not the group...right? |
Some Army guys have a knack for being more violent towards the locals, comparatively speaking, than NETs. |
I guess my point was...NETs and the U.S Military servicemembers are basically in the same position, minus the fact that the NETs have the option to come here while most servicemembers don't. |
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murmanjake
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2932853
Some more info. Soldier was supposed to be serving time for an unknown crime at the time, and had a .09 BAC when he was arrested.
How do they know it was rape? I guess it's just strange to me that a young guy would try to rape such an older woman. I keep thinking it was a violent assault that was portrayed as rape for some reason or the other. Then again with a .09 BAC who knows... |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| smartwentcrazy wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| smartwentcrazy wrote: |
| Not excusing their behavior, but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country. I don't think any of you could even fathom the price some of these soldiers have paid to keep this country and its inhabitants safe. |
If you aren't excusing their behavior...then don't.
"but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country."...this kind of proselytizing is comedy gold.
...most aren't doing this (like most others on this planet) for any more than the fact that they are getting a paycheck for what they do�leave it at that. |
I'm merely pointing out this was an isolated incident and it shouldn't be representative of the the entire U.S. military personnel abroad. I've met some good GI's and some bad. There are bound to be some bad apples in the bunch. With that said, the same could be correlated to ESL teachers here. You're either ignorant or stupid to believe what they're doing isn't keeping citizens (foreign and Korean) safe. In the happenstance that war erupts, who are you going to depend on to save your ass from getting killed? It's clear you have an obvious bias against the military, and hey that's your prerogative, but the least you can do is show some respect to the serving men and women in the military. Without them we wouldn't have the luxury of teaching in a region that is under constant threat of war. And I'll be willing to bet you would only be saying these things behind the safety of your keyboard. |
...whatever. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| murmanjake wrote: |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2932853
Some more info. Soldier was supposed to be serving time for an unknown crime at the time, and had a .09 BAC when he was arrested. |
Although the article used the term confined, restricted is more likely the correct term. For example, if the soldier had been disciplined under Article 15 of the UCMJ, the Commanding Officer could have restricted him to his quarters for a specified number of days. Of course, consumption of alcohol during restriction is also a violation of the regulations and, if discovered, would no doubt lead to further disciplinary action.
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| How do they know it was rape? |
One would hope that the physical evidence indicated what the crime was.
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| I guess it's just strange to me that a young guy would try to rape such an older woman. |
It's my understanding that rape is not a crime of sex but rather a crime of violence using sex as the weapon. The attractiveness and the age of the victim have nothing to do with the sexual aspect of the crime.
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| I keep thinking it was a violent assault that was portrayed as rape for some reason or the other. Then again with a .09 BAC who knows... |
This could also be the case. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| murmanjake wrote: |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2932853
Some more info. Soldier was supposed to be serving time for an unknown crime at the time, and had a .09 BAC when he was arrested. |
Although the article used the term confined, restricted is more likely the correct term. For example, if the soldier had been disciplined under Article 15 of the UCMJ, the Commanding Officer could have restricted him to his quarters for a specified number of days. Of course, consumption of alcohol during restriction is also a violation of the regulations and, if discovered, would no doubt lead to further disciplinary action.
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| How do they know it was rape? |
One would hope that the physical evidence indicated what the crime was.
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| I guess it's just strange to me that a young guy would try to rape such an older woman. |
It's my understanding that rape is not a crime of sex but rather a crime of violence using sex as the weapon. The attractiveness and the age of the victim have nothing to do with the sexual aspect of the crime.
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| I keep thinking it was a violent assault that was portrayed as rape for some reason or the other. Then again with a .09 BAC who knows... |
This could also be the case. |
U.S drinking laws apply to the servicemembers here officially. Whether or not the bars follow them is another story. However, he is 20, so therefore underage. He was restricted from drinking in the first place by law, which I'm sure will be taken into account. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| murmanjake wrote: |
| How do they know it was rape? I guess it's just strange to me that a young guy would try to rape such an older woman. I keep thinking it was a violent assault that was portrayed as rape for some reason or the other. Then again with a .09 BAC who knows... |
That's really low, actually. Three beers in an hour and a half could make you blow a .09. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't the legal limit in most places .08? Which would mean the kid was JUST too drunk to drive in most states. |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Can someone answer this...
Why does everyone respect US soldiers so much? I see them a lot in and around Haebangchon. I saw a lot of 'em standing outside the Yongsan gate yesterday and they started hollering at my female friend who was walking beside me (while making rude gestures).
We just ignored them at the time but this is the third time I've had a problem with them while I was minding my own business and I've only been living in the area for a few months. As far as I'm concerned, they all look and act like Scumbag Steve and most of them probably have fetal alcohol syndrome.
As for the OP, What happened was horrible. That alone should see all soldiers restricted to base for the next year or so.
If I were Korea, I wouldn't never let them leave their little bases. All they seem to be good at is bothering people.
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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After the Vietnam War, America finally learned to separate the soldier from the war. Most Americans now draw a distinction between failed/ill advised/shady policy and the people that have to go there and risk their lives to carry it out. So most people respect our soldiers. For the most part, the people that are on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan are trying to protect themselves and their friends and they are trying to improve the lives of local people. Now, should the US be there to begin with, well that's regardless of this conversation. And is the overall policy really helping these people? Probably not, but the soldiers don't make the call.
Just remember, for each moron you run into, there are many more that you will never even notice who are just minding their business doing their job. It's easy to remember only the ones who are rude, doing something illegal, etc...A few bad apples spoil the bunch as they say. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| After the Vietnam War, America finally learned to separate the soldier from the war. |
Soldiers should not be separated from the war when they're volunteers. |
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Poltergeist
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Another one?
There was one a couple of years back where a GI raped an elderly Korean lady. |
I remember that. When I saw the subject line, I thought someone had bumped up an ancient thread. |
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