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Boating3
Joined: 05 Dec 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: Highschool Discipline Ideas - Please Share!! |
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I've only taught elementary school in the past and am new to teaching high school this year (1st and 2nd grade). I know I've got to start the year out strong with discipline, then relax it later if needed. What has worked well for you? Squats, move their desk, copy the sentences worksheets? Do point systems work (winner at the end of the day, or groups work up to a certain amount of points over weeks for a prize)?
I'm mainly concerned with sleeping students because I've heard that's a problem at this school--how do you deal with it?
As a side question---what rules were important for you to put into place on the first day?
Positive reinforcement ideas welcome as well! Thank you in advance! |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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For the sleeping students, you should understand where a lot of these kids are coming from. Many of them are either totally jaded after 9 or 10 years of school overdose here. The others are burnt out from all the hagwons and studying they have to do.
That being said, you still can't let them sleep in class, it's just not something worth flipping out on them over. When you're teaching you have to walk around the room. If you see a sleeper go up behind him and give his chair a little bump with your hip as you walk by, or tap him on the shoulder. Tell him he has 2 minutes to get a drink of water and stretch in the hallway and then has to be back in his chair with his head off his hands and desk.
Things you can do: incorporate opportunities for them to move around as part of your lesson, vary the volume of your voice, move around the room, keep the lights on and window blinds up, no hats/sunglasses, no heads allowed on desks, don't lecture the whole time (allow them to speak a lot more than you).
If many members of your class are sleeping, don't blame them, blame yourself.  |
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Totti
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Highschool Discipline Ideas - Please Share!! |
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Boating3 wrote: |
I've only taught elementary school in the past and am new to teaching high school this year (1st and 2nd grade). I know I've got to start the year out strong with discipline, then relax it later if needed. What has worked well for you? Squats, move their desk, copy the sentences worksheets? Do point systems work (winner at the end of the day, or groups work up to a certain amount of points over weeks for a prize)?
I'm mainly concerned with sleeping students because I've heard that's a problem at this school--how do you deal with it?
As a side question---what rules were important for you to put into place on the first day?
Positive reinforcement ideas welcome as well! Thank you in advance! |
I'd say to do this for your second lesson. Write down rules you want them to keep to, then get them to come up with some rules as well.
I kept a points system with my co-teachers. The student's would get points for participating in class, which would go to their overall mark. They would also get points taken away from them when speaking in Korean or sleeping in class.
Using candy also works (suprisingly) but you don't want to do it that often as it can get expensive! |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I teach at a tech school, so granted my discipline is a little bit more extreme than what you would need at a academic school.
The point system works, but you need to combine it with other stuff. I use a point currency and after a certain amount they can buy things from me like candy, cookies, ice cream. If you buy in bulk off gmarket, its not expensive. But becareful with the points, they will actively try to steal or counterfeit them.
You definitely need a laser pointer. You can strobe kids that aren't paying attention / acting up. Also get a halogen bulb flash light. It'll burn through their eye lids, wake em right up.
I also keep punishment cards and a list on the board. Knowing what the punishment will be keeps them in line.
Step 1: Change seat
Step 2: Arms up
Step 3: Duck walk, 4 laps around class
Step 4: I don't know what you call it, but they make their body into a little V and they've gotta hold it
Step 5: Get out!!! - we talk to homeroom teacher or VP and I tell them everything I've done.
Step 6: (2nd time kick out) If the homeroom teacher and school approves, we go hiking together on the weekend. I usually pick the rockiest route on the hardest mountain
- I've done Step 6, 4x in the last 2 years. Never had a problem with the same kids again. Even when they moved up grades  |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
I teach at a tech school, so granted my discipline is a little bit more extreme than what you would need at a academic school.
The point system works, but you need to combine it with other stuff. I use a point currency and after a certain amount they can buy things from me like candy, cookies, ice cream. If you buy in bulk off gmarket, its not expensive. But becareful with the points, they will actively try to steal or counterfeit them.
You definitely need a laser pointer. You can strobe kids that aren't paying attention / acting up. Also get a halogen bulb flash light. It'll burn through their eye lids, wake em right up.
I also keep punishment cards and a list on the board. Knowing what the punishment will be keeps them in line.
Step 1: Change seat
Step 2: Arms up
Step 3: Duck walk, 4 laps around class
Step 4: I don't know what you call it, but they make their body into a little V and they've gotta hold it
Step 5: Get out!!! - we talk to homeroom teacher or VP and I tell them everything I've done.
Step 6: (2nd time kick out) If the homeroom teacher and school approves, we go hiking together on the weekend. I usually pick the rockiest route on the hardest mountain
- I've done Step 6, 4x in the last 2 years. Never had a problem with the same kids again. Even when they moved up grades  |
I really like #6. Do you shoot the laser at their eyes?! Isn't that kind of dangerous? |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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jrwhite82 wrote: |
I really like #6. Do you shoot the laser at their eyes?! Isn't that kind of dangerous? |
#6 you definitely need school, parent, and homeroom teacher permission. It's outside school and it's intense. Most treks last 6+ hours, including all the breaks.
For the laser of course not, I never strobe the eyes. You just strobe something in their line of sight, they're see it, stop and look up or someone next to them will slap em. Your just saying "I see you" For some reason though a lot of them "Think" your hitting their eyes even when your obviously pointing at their hand. But they only complain about it after they get caught doing something. They're just trying deflect / project |
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Cerulean
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I was told late last year with the new changes that squats, arms up, duck walk and anything like that is not allowed anymore. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:24 am Post subject: |
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jrwhite82 wrote: |
For the sleeping students, you should understand where a lot of these kids are coming from. Many of them are either totally jaded after 9 or 10 years of school overdose here. The others are burnt out from all the hagwons and studying they have to do. : |
i worked a year and a half in a great private (read: suneung prepatory) school, and yes, yes, and yes to this. From day one, ill tell you this
-call them by the name on their tags, and remember it often, itll shock some of them awake (loss of face)
-from day one, put out a tough air. Look them in the eye, even when they look down. Wtach ur co-teachers and other high school teachers for the correct mannerisms. DO NOT IGNORE THIS PART. I was told I was the first foreign teacher the kids didnt try to play practical jokes on, because they felt Id kick their asses (and I would). I heard some of the stories of the others, but never once for me (and part of it was I knew alot of their names, so they felt a bit more connected to me than someone who said "hey you" or "hey sir"...and I had 700 kids.
-and then, just let it go. The same problems there were 10 years ago are still there. if theyre sleeping, let them sleep if the principal isnt there.
---Theyre sleeping for understandable reasons, and the drone of a langauge they dont understand is enough to lull someone to sleep. I knew
that ultimately, i shouldnt get in the way of anything that bothered their studies for Suneung. I had kids memorizing lists of English words while they were supposed to be listening to me. WHY? becuase thats the goal of their studies. Dont forget.
and have fun! I had sooooo much free time. Im going back to see my students this weekend~! |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I've been teaching high school for the last 9 months. It can be frustrating when you've poured your heart into a fun topic and your students don't want to participate. Still, you have to pick your battles and you have to be willing to listen to your co-teachers when they tell you that your lesson is too hard. You have all levels in your class, but mostly low. Keep the lessons modestly challenging and motivate the smarter kids with extra credit questions or a chance to earn an award or recognition of some kind. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Cerulean wrote: |
I was told late last year with the new changes that squats, arms up, duck walk and anything like that is not allowed anymore. |
They banned everything, then they sent out another notice during spring vacation. Corporal punishment is definitely off the table. Physical exercise is still acceptable. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Think soccer and carry a yellow card and red card.
If you see a "foul" blow a whistle and throw up a card and (act like) writing the name and offence of the student on a little notebook. You don't even have to say what the student did wrong or what the punishment is or will be, in fact, you don't need one. Jot it down and resume "play" or teaching.
Connect it to soccer and they'll pay attention and correct themselves. Then at the end of the year, toss the notebook.
You can even take it a step further and create a "penalty box"! ha.
I've never done this myself, but I always thought it'd be fun to try! |
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Cerulean
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:38 am Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
Cerulean wrote: |
I was told late last year with the new changes that squats, arms up, duck walk and anything like that is not allowed anymore. |
They banned everything, then they sent out another notice during spring vacation. Corporal punishment is definitely off the table. Physical exercise is still acceptable. |
Thanks for the update. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Cerulean wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
Cerulean wrote: |
I was told late last year with the new changes that squats, arms up, duck walk and anything like that is not allowed anymore. |
They banned everything, then they sent out another notice during spring vacation. Corporal punishment is definitely off the table. Physical exercise is still acceptable. |
Thanks for the update. |
physical exercise, i.e. push-up, sit-up, remaining in push-up position, running, or any physical exercise considered strenuous, is now banned as well.  |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Ramen wrote: |
physical exercise, i.e. push-up, sit-up, remaining in push-up position, running, or any physical exercise considered strenuous, is now banned as well.  |
Really??? I heard just last week it was okay. They took everything away including stress exercises 4-5 months ago. Then kept going on and off with the stress exercises. I'm sure pretty much every teacher in Korea complained about those useless green slips |
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