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HapKi
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You like apples?
Well I got her number. How you like them apples? |
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Koreadays
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| Leon wrote: |
| Matt Damon studied history at harvard. So he probably disagrees with you. |
I think he would actually agree with the OP.
I mean come on history? that can all be studied on your own. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| I mean come on history? that can all be studied on your own. |
You can study anything on your own and people have done. People learn how to re-wire their houses from library books and others learn advanced mathematics from watching lectures on tv late at night. Some people have studied medicine on their own and set up as plastic surgeons. The problem is it takes longer, requires more self-discipline and has no form of assessment. That's where the teacher comes into things. |
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joeteacher
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, the blonde guy in that clip was the [boston accent] retahd [/boston accent] in the TV show "OZ". Never put that together.[/quote] |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Thinking about that clip again, ironically, it actually demonstrates the benefits of a formal education over self study. The Harvard guy has learned a lot of stuff from books in a parrot-like fashion in the same way you might from just using the public library. But it takes the Matt Damon character with superior intellect to point out that this is not enough and you have to be able to use your knowledge in the right way ie not to embarass people and be original. Thus the Harvard guy has to be taught the lesson by the human teacher who interacts with him in a way you'd never get from books alone. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Thinking about that clip again, ironically, it actually demonstrates the benefits of a formal education over self study. The Harvard guy has learned a lot of stuff from books in a parrot-like fashion in the same way you might from just using the public library. But it takes the Matt Damon character with superior intellect to point out that this is not enough and you have to be able to use your knowledge in the right way ie not to embarass people and be original. Thus the Harvard guy has to be taught the lesson by the human teacher who interacts with him in a way you'd never get from books alone. |
...assuming that the person who goes to the library is a loner with no friends, or is incapable of finding other people with which to discuss his studies. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| assuming that the person who goes to the library is a loner with no friends, or is incapable of finding other people with which to discuss his studies. |
He may have friends but it's quite usual for people to have no one to discuss specific things with. People tend to find other people's special intererests dull. That of course is the other advantage of a university education - having the opportunity for discussions with like minded people. I did mention the fact that the film emphasises Matt Damon's superior intellect, thus placing him above the guy in the clip's normal friends and in a similar role to a teacher. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| I mean come on history? that can all be studied on your own. |
You can study anything on your own and people have done. People learn how to re-wire their houses from library books and others learn advanced mathematics from watching lectures on tv late at night. Some people have studied medicine on their own and set up as plastic surgeons. The problem is it takes longer, requires more self-discipline and has no form of assessment. That's where the teacher comes into things. |
Math courses on late-night tv is skills based math, useful in a broad range of sujects so there has been a lot of thought put int the pedgagogy of it (the books have tons of practice problems for example). The math is extremely useful, but not what anyone who has done intensive math study would qualify as advanced math.
THere have been a few exception geniuses, but for the most part, it's extremely hard to learn mathematics without the help of an expert. It's also hard to have a discussion of mathematics outside a teacher-student relationship.
On the other hand, I could pick up a history book and get something out of reading that book without ever have taken a formal history course in my life. |
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Livewire
Joined: 27 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Matt Damon studied history at harvard. So he probably disagrees with you. |
I think he would actually agree with the OP.
I mean come on history? that can all be studied on your own. |
Not really smurf.
You can read history books on your own sure, but can that teach you to make a detailed socioeconimicalpolitical analysis of the situation from many complex and contradictory viewpoints whilst also taking into acount individual personal psychology? To learn to discern the validity of different forms of documentation, to reach an objective analysis and also appraise a subjective one? To look at someone like Hitler and see the events that took place perhaps half a century before he was born shaped the Germany he grew up in and in which way they shaped his environment and gave him opportunities or put him in certain situations that put him on the path he took etc?
Can books teach you the gesture Richard Griffiths makes at the end of this 18 second clip???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7TqCpHYwiI&feature=related |
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Kuros
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| This is only a big issue because the cost of education is too high. Of course there's an advantage of having an instructor's guidance. Of course there's an advantage to having motivated fellow peers around with similar goals. But of course most colleges and universities (particularly in the States) are offering, and charging for, more than just an instructor's guidance. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| until the Conservatives had completely ruined the party for students and introduced partial grants and loans instead of 100% grants for living expenses.......so I had to borrow 5000 pounds over 3 years to buy my beer with! |
While would have gleefully taken advantage of such opportunities, I must say that this makes the case for reduced government grants in higher education. Tax payers should not subsidize large-scale partying. The champagne and oysters needs to stop. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Livewire wrote: |
| Koreadays wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Matt Damon studied history at harvard. So he probably disagrees with you. |
I think he would actually agree with the OP.
I mean come on history? that can all be studied on your own. |
Not really smurf.
You can read history books on your own sure, but can that teach you to make a detailed socioeconimicalpolitical analysis of the situation from many complex and contradictory viewpoints whilst also taking into acount individual personal psychology? To learn to discern the validity of different forms of documentation, to reach an objective analysis and also appraise a subjective one? To look at someone like Hitler and see the events that took place perhaps half a century before he was born shaped the Germany he grew up in and in which way they shaped his environment and gave him opportunities or put him in certain situations that put him on the path he took etc?
Can books teach you the gesture Richard Griffiths makes at the end of this 18 second clip???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7TqCpHYwiI&feature=related |
I think the difference is you can read and reasonably understand nearly any history book or paper, PhD level or otherwsie. You can't say the same for something like PhD level biology, physics, economics, etc. It's like reading a different language. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It's like reading a different language |
different languages are something people often learn by self study |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| It's like reading a different language |
different languages are something people often learn by self study |
True. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| The point is: Matt Damon is a Harvard educated idiot. Confusing a character he plays in a film with reality is the greater idiocy. |
I was in Kirkland House around the same time (actually 4 years after he should have graduated). I wouldn't say that he's Harvard educated. He simply went to the same school. Kekeke....
...read between the lines and you'll see empty space! 
Who knows? The rumors could be false. |
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