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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
NYC has the same work culture as any other large American city. I'd wager most receptionists here in DC have an undergrad degree too (or are at least working towards one). But I do approve of the -1 for the gratuitous reference. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Degrees in Economics, Law, Mathematics etc give the same reasoning ability of a major in English or History, I believe. |
I'm not familiar enough with Mathematics to comment on that one, but econ? I'm skeptical about that. |
Be a skeptic no more!!!
I can personally vouch for econ....both micro and macro will do the trick for you. |
I agree. Theoretical economics as far as I would define it, is the study of how individuals and societies respond to incentives. Even though the approach may be fundamentally different, in practice it can overlap with the same applications as commerce, sociology, and statistics among others. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
| shifty wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| Degrees in Economics, Law, Mathematics etc give the same reasoning ability of a major in English or History, I believe. |
I'm not familiar enough with Mathematics to comment on that one, but econ? I'm skeptical about that. |
Be a skeptic no more!!!
I can personally vouch for econ....both micro and macro will do the trick for you. |
I agree. Theoretical economics as far as I would define it, is the study of how individuals and societies respond to incentives. Even though the approach may be fundamentally different, in practice it can overlap with the same applications as commerce, sociology, and statistics among others. |
Sounds more like behavioral econ. Another interesting thing to note, many good schools don't have an undergrad business degree. It's just econ (Harvard, UCLA, etc) |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
Not sure why stating something like that about NYC is a bad thing. The work culture is indeed like that, but they do admire persistence. If you're not smart enough, you need to be a go-getter. If you're not either, then you'll probably fail in NYC.
What she says is somewhat exaggerated, but not too much when it comes to the banks out there. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
NYC has the same work culture as any other large American city. I'd wager most receptionists here in DC have an undergrad degree too (or are at least working towards one). But I do approve of the -1 for the gratuitous reference. |
hmm.. not sure about that. Things always seem to run faster in NY when I see it. I'm in LA and have been to SF where all the buy-side firms are, and we have a reputation for being "laid-back." NY is just a busy city. You can see it in the people, how fast things are done, the no-nonsense straight-forward talk most outside of NY find rude, etc. They have all the sell-side firms and all the major banks. Maybe it's just the financial firms in NY who have a reputation for having a crazy work culture.
Too many people I've met from and outside of NY have told me that NY changes you. Anecdotal? Sure. But based on what I've seen, it seems true to me. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| AmericanBornKorean wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
Not sure why stating something like that about NYC is a bad thing. The work culture is indeed like that, but they do admire persistence. If you're not smart enough, you need to be a go-getter. If you're not either, then you'll probably fail in NYC.
What she says is somewhat exaggerated, but not too much when it comes to the banks out there. |
Not to speak for the man, but I believe he's speaking out more against the speaker than NY itself.
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| hmm.. not sure about that. Things always seem to run faster in NY when I see it. I'm in LA and have been to SF where all the buy-side firms are, and we have a reputation for being "laid-back." NY is just a busy city. You can see it in the people, how fast things are done, the no-nonsense straight-forward talk most outside of NY find rude, etc. They have all the sell-side firms and all the major banks. Maybe it's just the financial firms in NY who have a reputation for having a crazy work culture. |
I meant more in regards to qualifications than "laid-back." I guess I shouldn't have said the same work culture since it is a different atmosphere (and that's a difference between the west coast and east coast in general, not just between CA and NYC). |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
NYC has the same work culture as any other large American city. I'd wager most receptionists here in DC have an undergrad degree too (or are at least working towards one). But I do approve of the -1 for the gratuitous reference. |
I used to work with an HR department and I don't think even half of the workers in the department had a BA/BS. I know the receptionist only had a high school education. Again, this is just from personal experience so I don't know how often this is the case.
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| AmericanBornKorean wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
Not sure why stating something like that about NYC is a bad thing. The work culture is indeed like that, but they do admire persistence. If you're not smart enough, you need to be a go-getter. If you're not either, then you'll probably fail in NYC.
What she says is somewhat exaggerated, but not too much when it comes to the banks out there. |
Not to speak for the man, but I believe he's speaking out more against the speaker than NY itself.
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| hmm.. not sure about that. Things always seem to run faster in NY when I see it. I'm in LA and have been to SF where all the buy-side firms are, and we have a reputation for being "laid-back." NY is just a busy city. You can see it in the people, how fast things are done, the no-nonsense straight-forward talk most outside of NY find rude, etc. They have all the sell-side firms and all the major banks. Maybe it's just the financial firms in NY who have a reputation for having a crazy work culture. |
I meant more in regards to qualifications than "laid-back." I guess I shouldn't have said the same work culture since it is a different atmosphere (and that's a difference between the west coast and east coast in general, not just between CA and NYC). |
There are cities outside of CA and NYC?? 
j/k |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| AmericanBornKorean wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
NYC has the same work culture as any other large American city. I'd wager most receptionists here in DC have an undergrad degree too (or are at least working towards one). But I do approve of the -1 for the gratuitous reference. |
hmm.. not sure about that. Things always seem to run faster in NY when I see it. I'm in LA and have been to SF where all the buy-side firms are, and we have a reputation for being "laid-back." NY is just a busy city. You can see it in the people, how fast things are done, the no-nonsense straight-forward talk most outside of NY find rude, etc. They have all the sell-side firms and all the major banks. Maybe it's just the financial firms in NY who have a reputation for having a crazy work culture.
Too many people I've met from and outside of NY have told me that NY changes you. Anecdotal? Sure. But based on what I've seen, it seems true to me. |
I don't have any problem with New Yorkers being New Yorkers in New York. Busy is fine. But don't export that arrogant, life-is-work-is-career-success and expect nary an ounce of pushback. I'm from the East Coast and if she's really from New York than she needs no defense, she's more than accustomed to the jabs.
Receptionists with BAs. I guess I'd have a real problem with that if receptionists were the end of the line for that career track, but I don't believe that to be the case. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| AmericanBornKorean wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| In NYC, it's hard to get a even a receptionist job without a BA. |
-1 for gratuitous reference to NYC. If receptionists require a BA in NYC, its one more reason why the rest of the country should shun the work culture of the Big Apple. |
NYC has the same work culture as any other large American city. I'd wager most receptionists here in DC have an undergrad degree too (or are at least working towards one). But I do approve of the -1 for the gratuitous reference. |
hmm.. not sure about that. Things always seem to run faster in NY when I see it. I'm in LA and have been to SF where all the buy-side firms are, and we have a reputation for being "laid-back." NY is just a busy city. You can see it in the people, how fast things are done, the no-nonsense straight-forward talk most outside of NY find rude, etc. They have all the sell-side firms and all the major banks. Maybe it's just the financial firms in NY who have a reputation for having a crazy work culture.
Too many people I've met from and outside of NY have told me that NY changes you. Anecdotal? Sure. But based on what I've seen, it seems true to me. |
I don't have any problem with New Yorkers being New Yorkers in New York. Busy is fine. But don't export that arrogant, life-is-work-is-career-success and expect nary an ounce of pushback. I'm from the East Coast and if she's really from New York than she needs no defense, she's more than accustomed to the jabs.
Receptionists with BAs. I guess I'd have a real problem with that if receptionists were the end of the line for that career track, but I don't believe that to be the case. |
Oh yeah, I think that's annoying, too. That really doesn't jibe well outside of NY. Something my sister who recently moved to SF is learning very quickly. |
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WaveFunction1984
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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In Canada a BA just makes the difference between stocking and cashier. An MA or PhD will allow you to be manager if it doesn't outright over qualify you for all the crappy jobs and under qualify you for all the decent ones. BAs are more worthless than a high school diploma was thirty years ago. I don't regret my degree, I just wish someone would have given me due warning. In high school, we were all made to think that a degree was for winners and it always equaled prosperity.
It's doubly annoying to talk to baby boomers these days who think degree holders can't get jobs because we're lazy. It's hard on the self esteem to look at job ads for jobs you know you would be great at only to be told that you aren't good enough/educated enough to have them, meanwhile if you were born into a connected family, you can do anything. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Why the hate? I can't very well say what is required as a receptionist in Memphis, now can I? I can bet that they make far more in NY, though. There's a reason that so many people move there from their small towns. The pay is higher, for one. It's competitive, though. Not having a BA means that many places will put your resume in the shred pile. |
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