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austinmc86



Joined: 23 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Getting a job in Japan Reply with quote

How do you find a job in Japan?
I am in Korea now, and would be interested in working there after my contract ends. All the job ads are for people who have an international driving license.
I want to find a job, where I do not need a international license.

What is the best way to find employment in Japan? I would, if possible, like to go straight from Korea to Japan after the contract ends.

I have been to Japan a few times, and loved it.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan doesn't have the market for TEFL that Korea has at the moment. I know a few people with Japanese wives/girlfriends working over here because they can't find decent work in Japan. They say there's work to be had but mostly entry level low quality stuff e.g. low paid, soul destroying one to one lessons with bored housewives and an even greater emphasis on appearance and popularity. So I suppose it depends where you are (experience and qualification-wise) and what you're after.
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nukeday



Joined: 13 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a job on dave's. quit it later and ended up coming back to korea. but pay-wise it was above average. give dave's a try...most employers there are more open to hiring from abroad. there's a newsletter called ohayo sensei you can sign up for with job listings. the majority of those require you to be in country, and possibly already have a visa.

i got the job in 2008, and i ended up in a desirable location (near osaka and kyoto). obviously if you are flexible location wise, your chances increase. but yeah, a lot of those international drivers license jobs are probably in the sticks and require you to visit multiple schools.

it's a tight market but it is possible. the japanese visa is easier to get than the korean visa, but it takes longer. i ended up coming to korea on a visa run when my tourist visa was about to expire, so technically i was working illegally for 90 days.
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WaveFunction1984



Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't do it. Working in Japan is a miserable nightmare unless you get on JET.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohayo sensei or gaijinpot are good online places to look.
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WaveFunction1984



Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
ohayo sensei or gaijinpot are good online places to look.


Even if you apply on Gaijinpot for a crappy GABA gig (literally the lowest paying ESL job in Japan), it still tells you: "5832 people have applied for this position since it was posted yesterday."

That's what it's like to find work in Japan!
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nukeday,
Why did you quit your job in Japan?
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WaveFunction1984 wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
ohayo sensei or gaijinpot are good online places to look.


Even if you apply on Gaijinpot for a crappy GABA gig (literally the lowest paying ESL job in Japan), it still tells you: "5832 people have applied for this position since it was posted yesterday."

That's what it's like to find work in Japan!


Tiger is a Japan-got-a-job-and-moved-there-from-Korea success story. Very Happy
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nukeday



Joined: 13 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
nukeday,
Why did you quit your job in Japan?


personal reasons. to be honest, my bosses (a japanese man and his puerto rican wife) were psychopathic micromanagers, but that's to be expected both in korea and japan. i was always paid on time, and had a salary of 290,000 yen (apartment fee: 50,000) which equates to quite a lot more than korea despite the supposed "high living cost" of japan - largely a myth.

i kind of regret it and wish i had stayed. but seoul is good drunken times. i was fitter, but sadly more sober in japan. my typical routine was working saturday (sucks), then going out sat night for a drink in downtown osaka or kyoto. resting sunday, temple hopping monday.

290 000 일본 엔 = 3 934 603.35 원

Crying or Very sad


With that exchange rate, I think even GABA or Dispatch companies salaries are respectable. You save more USD (or whatever your respective home currency is) with less. Grocery and nightlife costs are comparable. Korean taxes keep getting higher. You just never, ever take taxis and you're fine.
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legrande



Joined: 23 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a job in Japan Reply with quote

austinmc86 wrote:
How do you find a job in Japan?
I am in Korea now, and would be interested in working there after my contract ends. All the job ads are for people who have an international driving license.
I want to find a job, where I do not need a international license.

What is the best way to find employment in Japan? I would, if possible, like to go straight from Korea to Japan after the contract ends.

I have been to Japan a few times, and loved it.


Visiting Japan, and working in Japan, are two entirely different kettles of fish, especially in the current economy.

But if your heart's set on it, head east, young man, the land of the rising sun, as coined by a Korean Buddhist monk a long time ago.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WaveFunction1984 wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
ohayo sensei or gaijinpot are good online places to look.


Even if you apply on Gaijinpot for a crappy GABA gig (literally the lowest paying ESL job in Japan), it still tells you: "5832 people have applied for this position since it was posted yesterday."

That's what it's like to find work in Japan!


Look WaveFunction... Someday, someone is going to observe and then you are going to have to choose a location in which to exist... Just kidding. Its a bad physics joke that just came to my mind.
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nukeday wrote:
Zackback wrote:
nukeday,
Why did you quit your job in Japan?



290 000 일본 엔 = 3 934 603.35 원

Crying or Very sad


With that exchange rate, I think even GABA or Dispatch companies salaries are respectable. You save more USD (or whatever your respective home currency is) with less. Grocery and nightlife costs are comparable. Korean taxes keep getting higher. You just never, ever take taxis and you're fine.


I used to work in Tokyo and GABA had a pretty bad reputation.....they advertise jobs for 2,500 yen per class to draw you in but you have no chance of getting that unless you have worked with them for a long while plus attended their mandatory training sessions.....you will start on around 1,200 yen more likely.

Can't speak for all the dispatch companies (ALT) but Interac had a very up and down reputation also.

For me, I freelanced and it worked out better...luckily you're not tied to your company that got you the visa once you have one.


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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
Look WaveFunction... Someday, someone is going to observe and then you are going to have to choose a location in which to exist... Just kidding. Its a bad physics joke that just came to my mind.


aahh physics jokes; a real flashback to university...
You sir, have made my day.
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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in 2 minds about the future of TEFL/ESL in Japan, part of me thinks things will improve here as they are recently expanding the English programme in public schools, English to become mandatory in elementary schools from next year, high schools to start immersion classes and I've heard whisperings more of the zaibatsu (Japanese version of the chabol) are going to start asking for English skills from their new recruits.

On the other hand Japan has a HUGE public debt problem and as they would be loath to make cuts in healthcare (loads of old people innit), education would I assume be the sector for the chopping block. Could be the end for JET, further decreases in salary for dispatch public school teachers and the private sector is rubbish as Japanese tend to save not spend during times of ecomonic uncertaintly (ie for them the last 15 years).

Far more of an employers market as Japan has a more fashionable image in the west than Korea so more people are willing to accept poor wages just to live here (curse you anime/manga! you blokes had better hope K-pop/dramas never take off in the west or you could wind up with the same problems).

Practical advice, apply in March as most of the new jobs start in April (August isn't a bad time either as theres a months break so schools are looking to replace people who have quit/haven't worked out also some contacts finish at this time). Save 5000 USD as moving in costs are high and virtually everywhere pays a month in arrears. Japan is a lot bigger than Korea so apply via location, there's a expat site for most of the areas, Kyushu, Kansai ect...check the FAOs on the Japan forum.

It's not all doom and gloom, if you can get in living here is spendid and the visa situation is a million times better than Korea, yen is never a bad currency to save with and it really isn't that expensive.

Both Korea and Japan are IMO the best countries to teach with China looking a tempting plan C at the moment.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice on this is if you want to work in Japan go for it, Japan is a great place and you'll probably have a lot of fun. However, I'd only consider it under the following conditions:

1) You have a job set up before going there.
2) You will earn enough to cover all your living expenses
3) You will save at least 1/3 of your salary AND that will be at least 80% of what you would save on a Korean entry-level ESL salary.

Under any under circumstances, I wouldn't consider it. Japan (or anywhere else for that matter) is not worth scrape-by wages which a lot of ESL teachers are starting to earn.
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