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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
Most recruiters are supposed to reimburse their fees if the teacher bails before 6 months,


or they are required to find a new teacher at no extra charge.

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There are no recruiters who do this.

Some recruiters will find a new teacher for the school if the teacher doesn't finish 1 month. Most are done after the teacher arrives and the school pays the recruiter. No refund. No replacement.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Untrue. Many recruiters dont get paid their commission until a teacher has completed up to six months (sometimes more, sometimes less). It's either provide a new teacher or dont get paid. It's common for a public school to demand that condition from their recruiters.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:
Untrue. Many recruiters dont get paid their commission until a teacher has completed up to six months (sometimes more, sometimes less). It's either provide a new teacher or dont get paid. It's common for a public school to demand that condition from their recruiters.



I don't believe that you actually know any such recruiters. This is just a Dave's myth.

There are no such recruiters (except as demanded by the public schools due to their take-it-or-leave-it policy that allows them to dictate to recruiters.

If you know of any, list their names here.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You already confirmed public school recruiters which are many and here's this:
http://recruiterinkorea.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/advice-from-another-recruiter-in-korea/

"Most schools now ask between 3 to 6 months of money back from recruiters in case the teachers quit or are fired. In other countries like Japan, Taiwan and Thailand, the money back from the recruiter to the school is sometimes a full year)."

You want names, go find them yourself. I dont feel the need to provide proof for you regarding common knowledge and practices when I dont care if a recruiter gets their fee or not. It between them and the school. It has nothing to do with the teachers except when shady employers try to steal from them.

By the way, have you found the legal definition of an independent contractor in korea yet? Still waiting on that.....

***Edit: Screw it. I back up what I say or can admit I'm wrong. Hopefully you can start to do the same.

http://www.asia-pacific-connections.com/frequently_asked_questions.html

Q: How does APC get paid?

We receive a one-time commission from the schools we work with. The commission does not vary widely from school to school, so we have no motivation to recommend one job over another for our financial benefit.
The commission we receive is not deducted from your future earnings. We are careful about whom we hire and which schools we deal with as we must refund our commission or replace you for free if you leave your job early. Thus, we don't want to place you somewhere you'll want to leave and we don't want to place you at all if you are unreliable.
Q: How much do you get paid for each placement?

I don't subscribe to the idea that it's impolite to talk about salaries and money, and I've noticed that this idea is often perpetuated by those whose income is derived from exploiting others or providing expensive services of no real value. So...
The current fee for most recruiters (or, in the case of many Korean recruiters, their under-worked middle-aged male overlords who have little knowledge of the ESL industry) collects on one placement is around US$1000. When working with a Korean partner, I receive half this amount. When working directly with a school, I charge between US$700 and US$800, in order to remain competitive in a market that is, like most markets in most places, suspicious of foreigners. This fee is always contingent upon a teacher staying for at least 90 days. If you've just decided that recruiting is a particularly lucrative thing to do, bear in mind that for every person I place in Korea, I spend time dealing with at least a dozen.

Legal definition of Independent Contractor in korea? It's been many months. You still haven't found it, ontheway?
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZIFA wrote:
Run.

You've been reasonable with them but they seem to be stretching your patience a bit far. Yes it is OK to ask for the recruiting fee if it is in the contract. It ain't.

Furthermore, usually schools only pay a recruiter fee for teachers that complete their contracts. If you quit before time, the recruiter usually does not get paid. Thats the normal modus operandi. So she may be charging you for something she probably doesn't even have to forfeit.


The bolded part is innacurate.

Schools pay recruiters up front or delay the payment for a set period (typically 3-6 months).

If a teacher leaves before the set period, typically a recruiter is obligated to refund the school or find a replacement.

After the set period, the recruitment fee is final and will not be refunded if the teacher bails.

OP: you should not have to pay the recruitment fee.
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