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Space Bar
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: Women are for children |
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...boys are for pleasure, or so the Pashtuns believe.
Afghan Men Struggle With Sexual Identity, Study Finds
Published January 28, 2010 | FOXNews.com
As if U.S. troops and diplomats didn't have enough to worry about in trying to understand Afghan culture, a new report suggests an entire region in the country is coping with a sexual identity crisis.
An unclassified study from a military research unit in southern Afghanistan details how homosexual behavior is unusually common among men in the large ethnic group known as Pashtuns -- though they seem to be in complete denial about it.
The study, obtained by Fox News, found that Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually -- yet they completely reject the label of "homosexual." The research was conducted as part of a longstanding effort to better understand Afghan culture and improve Western interaction with the local people.
The research unit, which was attached to a Marine battalion in southern Afghanistan, acknowledged that the behavior of some Afghan men has left Western forces "frequently confused."
The report details the bizarre interactions a U.S. Army medic and her colleagues had with Afghan men in the southern province of Kandahar.
In one instance, a group of local male interpreters had contracted gonorrhea anally but refused to believe they could have contracted it sexually -- "because they were not homosexuals."
Apparently, according to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot "love" another man -- but that doesn't mean they can't use men for "sexual gratification."
The group of interpreters who had contracted gonorrhea joked in the camp that they actually got the disease by "mixing green and black tea." But since they refused to heed the medics' warnings, many of them re-contracted the disease after receiving treatment.
The U.S. army medic also told members of the research unit that she and her colleagues had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant.
The report said: "When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, 'How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.'"
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011 Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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They've been dumbed-down by years of the Taliban.
Zero education and a society broken by civil war will do that to a person. |
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Space Bar
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:54 am Post subject: |
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The tribe and its customs have existed for centuries before the Taliban ever appeared on the scene. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Space Bar wrote: |
The tribe and its customs have existed for centuries before the Taliban ever appeared on the scene. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali
Pashtunwali: something that you must know about the Pashtuns social culture. It sounds like an mixed ancient Indian social code of the Kshatrya and the Brahmin castes. |
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rollo
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Boys dont get pregnant and create a feud situation between families. But yeah this is an old tradition. Perhaps one reason the Russians had such a bad time in AFghanistan is that when the Afghans took prisoners they did not torture them but they would often select a young handsome prisoner to be the "wife" of the unit. this probably led to a decline in the zeal to go fight in Afghanistan.
Also this is tied up in the way women are viewed. This is not really Islamic but old tribal beliefs being tied to Islam. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
when the Afghans took prisoners they did not torture them but they would often select a young handsome prisoner to be the "wife" of the unit. |
That doesn't qualify as torture? I'd much rather be waterboarded. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
rollo wrote: |
when the Afghans took prisoners they did not torture them but they would often select a young handsome prisoner to be the "wife" of the unit. |
That doesn't qualify as torture? I'd much rather be waterboarded. |
Yes, it does. But no, you wouldn't. |
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caniff
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well maybe not after I was waterboarded, but still - being passed around by a pack of Afghani rebels would have to leave some bad memories. |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I blame this on Alexander the Great. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011 Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:38 am Post subject: |
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"women are for children".
Lol.
I'll be sure to tell that to my western female co-workers as i ignore whatever they have to say with a wave of the hand.  |
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Space Bar
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Konglishman wrote: |
I blame this on Alexander the Great. |
So you read The Persian Boy?
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The Persian Boy traces the last years of Alexander�s life through the eyes of his lover, Bagoas. Abducted and gelded as a boy, Bagoas was sold as a courtesan to King Darius of Persia, but found freedom with Alexander after the Macedon army conquered his homeland. Their relationship sustains Alexander as he weathers assassination plots, the demands of two foreign wives, a sometimes-mutinous army, and his own ferocious temper. After Alexander�s mysterious death, we are left wondering if this Persian boy understood the great warrior and his ambitions better than anyone. |
The Pashtuns did not invent this. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Location: Iraq
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Book me a ticket to Afghanistan. Sounds like a gay man's paradise. I do question their hygiene though. |
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Konglishman

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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Space Bar wrote: |
Konglishman wrote: |
I blame this on Alexander the Great. |
So you read The Persian Boy?
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The Persian Boy traces the last years of Alexander�s life through the eyes of his lover, Bagoas. Abducted and gelded as a boy, Bagoas was sold as a courtesan to King Darius of Persia, but found freedom with Alexander after the Macedon army conquered his homeland. Their relationship sustains Alexander as he weathers assassination plots, the demands of two foreign wives, a sometimes-mutinous army, and his own ferocious temper. After Alexander�s mysterious death, we are left wondering if this Persian boy understood the great warrior and his ambitions better than anyone. |
The Pashtuns did not invent this. |
No, it is the first time that I have heard of that book. I was simply making an educated guess based on the facts that homosexuality was widespread in ancient Greek culture and that Greek culture became one of the major influences on Afghanistan starting with the conquests of Alexander the Great. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Konglishman wrote: |
No, it is the first time that I have heard of that book. I was simply making an educated guess based on the facts that homosexuality was widespread in ancient Greek culture and that Greek culture became one of the major influences on Afghanistan starting with the conquests of Alexander the Great. |
The ancient Mahayana Buddhist monastry culture around Afghanistan could be another source of homosexuality among the Pashtuns. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Great culture they've got going on over there.
(I'm not all that wound up about the American one either, but c'mon.) |
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