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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: For Jinju - Panda dies after apparent fall in China |
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I read this and thought of you....
I've been on Dave's tooooooo long
Panda dies after apparent fall in China
By AUDRA ANG, Associated Press Writer
BEIJING - The first panda bred in captivity and released into the wild has died in China after less than a year � the apparent victim of a fall. Chinese officials said the body bore injuries inflicted by wild pandas, and the animal may have died trying to escape.
The body of the 5-year-old panda, Xiang Xiang, was found Feb. 19 on snow-covered ground in the forests of Sichuan province in China's southwest, the Xinhua News Agency said. He survived less than a year despite nearly three years of training on surviving in the wild.
"Xiang Xiang died of serious internal injuries in the left side of his chest and stomach by falling from a high place," Heng Yi, an official from the Wolong Giant Panda Research Center in Sichuan, said in a telephone interview Thursday.
"The scratches and other minor injuries caused by other wild pandas were found on his body," Heng said. "So Xiang Xiang may have fallen from trees when being chased by those pandas."
He said the announcement of the death was delayed because of the need for an investigation.
"We are all sad about Xiang Xiang, but it doesn't mean the project has failed," Zhang Hemin, the Wolong center's head, was quoted as saying by Xinhua. "The lessons we have learned from what happened to Xiang Xiang will help us adapt and improve the project."
The 176-pound male panda was released in April 2006. Xiang Xiang, whose name means auspicious, had been trained to build a den, forage for food and mark his territory, experts at Wolong have said. He also developed defensive skills such as howling and biting, they said.
There are about 1,600 wild pandas in the mountain forests of central China � the only place in the world they are found � and more than 180 live in captivity. Pandas are threatened by loss of habitat, poaching and a low reproduction rate.
Sybille Klenzendorf, director of the species program at the World Wildlife Fund, said programs like Wolong's are expensive and rarely successful. "It's so much cheaper and easier to invest into protection of wild habitats," she said, adding that the WWF works to do just that for pandas.
"Large mammals are very sophisticated in their strategies in living in the wild," she said. "To teach them these is nearly impossible."
Klenzendorf said when the fund began working with China to protect panda habitats in 1992, it estimated there were about 1,000 of the animals in the country. The last survey two years ago put the number at 1,600. She credited China's placing 65 percent of panda habitats under protection with the increase.
Klenzendorf said zoo programs are useful, especially for educating the public, but resources dedicated to reintroduction would be better spent on addressing the original threat to the species.
"Unless you fix what was wrong in the first place, it's useless," she said. "Captivity won't save them." |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Bring out the music and point me to its grave...I feel a jig coming on! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Jinju (wherever he went) would have something to say about this:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2056528,00.html
^They now have peeps dressed as pandas who get interactive with the evolutionary losers to try to help them see a reason to keep on living. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
get interactive with the evolutionary losers to try to help them see a reason to keep on living. |
Ah yes. According to evolution we have only winners and losers, and there must be no sympathy for losers. Any organism not adaptive enough to live on concrete or thrive in the midst of a nuclear blast? They're losers!
If in our vermin selfishness we wipe out Tigers, pandas and also eachother, it is just evolution. let no tears be shed.
Hence the fact that evolutionists are not conservationists.
"Let the cocroaches triumph"... the mantra of caniff. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
caniff wrote: |
get interactive with the evolutionary losers to try to help them see a reason to keep on living. |
Ah yes. According to evolution we have only winners and losers, and there must be no sympathy for losers. Any organism not adaptive enough to live on concrete or thrive in the midst of a nuclear blast? They're losers!
If in our vermin selfishness we wipe out Tigers, pandas and also eachother, it is just evolution. let no tears be shed.
Hence the fact that evolutionists are not conservationists.
"Let the cocroaches triumph"... the mantra of caniff. |
Don't be stupid, there are plenty of evolutionists who are conservationists. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
Don't be stupid, there are plenty of evolutionists who are conservationists. |
Looks like I caught you out yet again huh Foxy loxy.
Evolutionists tend to not care about the environment or its lifeforms because their theory decrees it. A fact we keep seeing demonstrated again and again.
Why would anyone actually care if a chance accidental cluster of cells becomes extinct? Why care about other people? If they're not adptive enough to survive bombs or napalm, then they are evolutionary losers. And nobody needs losers. Or so says your wonderful theory. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
Evolutionists tend to not care about the environment or its lifeforms because their theory decrees it. |
No it doesn't. Evolution just says how things happen if left to their own devices. If anything, the fragility that the theory of evolution attributes to individual species can serve as a motivating factor for conservationism.
Junior wrote: |
Why would anyone actually care if a chance accidental cluster of cells becomes extinct? |
Because those chance clusters of cells both enrich our lives and fill important roles in ecosystems which we find both emotional and functional value in. It's easy to understand.
Junior wrote: |
Why care about other people? |
I understand that you struggle mightily with the idea that some of us might have emotional, utilitarian, or ethical reasons for doing things that don't trace back to some almighty God threatening to burn us forever if we don't comply with his mandates, but this is probably a new low even for you. Your lack of understanding of evolutionists is only outdone by your lack of understanding of the theory of evolution itself. I think that's all that needs to be said about that. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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BEIJING - The first panda bred in captivity and released into the wild has died in China after less than a year � the apparent victim of a fall. |
Surely it's the Newtonians and their 'theory' of gravity that is to blame for this panda's death and not the evolutionists. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm all for conservation (seriously) but the pandas better start pulling their own weight if they're looking for sympathy.
Where does this end?:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2056528_2248826,00.html
It's like Disney World with one guest.
It's clear that they do just about jack-squat for themselves. You know how Sergio feels about humans? I'm getting that way with the pandas.
Oh, I won't do shit for myself and then when everyone's watching I'll fall out of a tree and die. F'in attention-whores.
Maybe communism's to blame. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
Junior wrote: |
Evolutionists tend to not care about the environment or its lifeforms because their theory decrees it. |
No it doesn't. Evolution just says how things happen if left to their own devices. If anything, the fragility that the theory of evolution attributes to individual species can serve as a motivating factor for conservationism.
Junior wrote: |
Why would anyone actually care if a chance accidental cluster of cells becomes extinct? |
Because those chance clusters of cells both enrich our lives and fill important roles in ecosystems which we find both emotional and functional value in. It's easy to understand.
Junior wrote: |
Why care about other people? |
I understand that you struggle mightily with the idea that some of us might have emotional, utilitarian, or ethical reasons for doing things that don't trace back to some almighty God threatening to burn us forever if we don't comply with his mandates, but this is probably a new low even for you. Your lack of understanding of evolutionists is only outdone by your lack of understanding of the theory of evolution itself. I think that's all that needs to be said about that. |
I appreciate your efforts, Fox, but I think we both know where this thread would be heading if we allow it to get off-topic.
Junior, unless you use the word "panda" or "pandas" every sentence or two you are banned from this thread. And Tomato too if he shows up. |
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Livewire
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Location: BI-WINNING!
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I went out for drinks with caniff once and it was pandamonium!
Ah ha ha ha ha! |
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Katchafire

Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Location: Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I read this post as "Panda dies after apartment fall in China". My initial reaction to that was,"wtf was a panda doing in someones apartment?" |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Gordana wrote: |
I read this post as "Panda dies after apartment fall in China". My initial reaction to that was,"wtf was a panda doing in someones apartment?" |
A panda would apparently have a better chance of survival in a random apartment (or trailer park?) than it would in the wild.
Maybe we should designate the zoo as the panda's natural habitat.
(Listen, before all the panda-lovers hop all over me about this, I'm not saying I'm scientific about this. Mostly I couldn't care less as there's about a billion other problems out there. Still, within the scope of this thread, pandas have it coming.) |
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Livewire
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Location: BI-WINNING!
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
Gordana wrote: |
I read this post as "Panda dies after apartment fall in China". My initial reaction to that was,"wtf was a panda doing in someones apartment?" |
A panda would apparently have a better chance of survival in a random apartment (or trailer park?) than it would in the wild.
Maybe we should designate the zoo as the panda's natural habitat.
(Listen, before all the panda-lovers hop all over me about this, I'm not saying I'm scientific about this. Mostly I couldn't care less as there's about a billion other problems out there. Still, within the scope of this thread, pandas have it coming.) |
Will you stop your pandaring to the crowd?
10 points back to MY account ;p |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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"Guilty as charged!" (after being cited for pandaring).
Jailhouse confession: You suck.
(Where can I redeem my points?) |
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