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geldedgoat
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| Fox wrote: |
| Spiritual well being or actual well being? |
Either one. The homosexual community has been very vocal about the hardships it faces, resulting in many sensible parents preferring their children not to have to go through that if possible.
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| "I'm worried my child will go to Hell," and, "I'm worried my child will be unhappy with their own life choices at a later date," are two very different things. |
Only if you lack serious belief in the former. Weren't we discussing intentions after all? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Spiritual well being or actual well being? |
Either one. The homosexual community has been very vocal about the hardships it faces, resulting in many sensible parents preferring their children not to have to go through that if possible. |
Well, like I said, this is a different case than what I'm talking about, so long as a failed attempt ends in something like, "We still love you, keep our words in mind," and not, "We're forcibly shipping you off to a brainwashing camp," or, "Get out and don't come back until you're 'fixed.'"
With regards to Hell, my response would probably get the thread deleted, you can probably guess what I'd say anyway, and you probably won't agree with it, so best to just leave it at that. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| "We're forcibly shipping you off to a brainwashing camp," |
This attitude is really the only thing that I take issue with. If you accept the possibility that it could be a choice, and that this choice would lead to a more difficult life, then what's wrong with attempting to help a child avoid that choice? If you find your child experimenting with cocaine, do you just have one sit down and then throw your hands up and shrug your shoulders if your advice is ignored?
*edit* I feel the need to add this: If you want to argue that the conversion camps are unreasonable, we would have no disagreement. I only object to your portrayal of parents that actively disagree with homosexuality as being selfish and/or unconcerned with their children's happiness. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| If you find your child experimenting with cocaine, do you just have one sit down and then throw your hands up and shrug your shoulders if your advice is ignored? |
It's interesting you bring up this example. Having gone through more or less this experience with my younger brother (with him being an avid drug-using youth who got sent away to an expensive "reform camp" by our parents in order to try to fix him) and watched the fallout -- which by any standard failed to produce improvement, and probably actually made his life worse, and even to this day it fills him with resentment and bitterness -- I'd almost assuredly limit myself to serious discussion coupled with emotional support. It's not that I want my child using drugs (although I support full legalization I also think habitual drug use is harmful), but rather that I don't want to take an already bad situation and make it worse by adding a damaged parental relationship on top of a drug addiction. I think parents of homosexual children who oppose homosexuality should follow the same principle. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| Well, to be fair, I agree that any camps of this nature on the whole do far more harm than good - if you want to debate their feasibility, I will probably be on your side. I've had more close friends and family than I'd care to admit fall victim to drug abuse that were sent to treatment facilities and came back more damaged than when they left. But still, in all but one of those cases, the parents were acting in what they believed to be the best interests of their children. |
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