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BroodingSea



Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Location: North Shields

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:56 am    Post subject: Changes in Korea since 1990 to date Reply with quote

As a two time visitor to Korea as a teacher over a seven year period (1990 & 1997) I noticed quite a few changes over this time. Mainly changes in lifestyle from a consumer perspective. People also seemed more weary of the foreign influence, teachers particularly, following the big negative press stories circa 2002. Cost of living another biggy. For you long term teachers and expats what are the main changes you have noticed over this time frame?
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) English ability has increased greatly
2) Koreans have become more accustomed to seeing non-Koreans
3) Seoul is a lot more liveable, bearable (this could also be just me, as maybe I have just gotten more used to it)

By the way, I am talking about the peroid between 2002-now
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bluelake



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here since the 80s and, yes, there have been a lot of changes--so many that it's hard to know where to start. Then, again, I'm like the proverbial frog in the cold water that's slowly brought up to a boil; most changes were very subtle over the years, so I didn't pay a lot of attention to many of them.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was here for a short while in 1988 (as a kid), then since 2002.

Since 1988:
- Korea was still very much 3rd world and looked like it, especially outside of Seoul.
- Most families didn't own a car.
- Some people now may complain about Korean driving, but back in the 80's it was very much solidly 3rd world style of driving. Most newbies would probably have a heart attack taking a taxi during the Olympics. Those ajosshies were nuts.
- Basically only one good highway out of Seoul and that was the Gyeongbu. The others were only 2 lanes, and people honked their horn when on curves, to warn the other side that a car was coming.
- Seoul had maybe 5 million people in 1988.
- The area surrounding Kimpo airport was all farms. I remember when the plane landed there were literally farmers in their big hats tending their rice fields under the wings of landing planes.
- Virtually all school uniforms were all black.
- Many residential buildings had no elevators, it was a major hassle climbing 20 floors of stairs.
- You'd see way more military on the streets.
- Lots of student riots.
- Corporal punishment was pretty severe compared to now (my best friend moved back to Korea, hence one of the reasons my family traveled to see the Olympics).
- No computers or cell phones.

Since 2002:
- The KTX, makes travel much more convenient.
- Tons of new highways, even in the regions.
- Korean cars in the last couple of years are much better quality.
- Way more foreign food available.
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A large influx of whiny English teachers who blame every misfortune in their lives on Koreans.
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BroodingSea



Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Location: North Shields

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I experienced some of these things you mentioned below. It felt much more of a 'country in transition my first visit, then more tech saavy and advanced the second. Not many street vendors or open fish markets etc.

jvalmer wrote:
Was here for a short while in 1988 (as a kid), then since 2002.

Since 1988:
- Korea was still very much 3rd world and looked like it, especially outside of Seoul.
- Most families didn't own a car.
- Some people now may complain about Korean driving, but back in the 80's it was very much solidly 3rd world style of driving. Most newbies would probably have a heart attack taking a taxi during the Olympics. Those ajosshies were nuts.
- Basically only one good highway out of Seoul and that was the Gyeongbu. The others were only 2 lanes, and people honked their horn when on curves, to warn the other side that a car was coming.
- Seoul had maybe 5 million people in 1988.
- The area surrounding Kimpo airport was all farms. I remember when the plane landed there were literally farmers in their big hats tending their rice fields under the wings of landing planes.
- Virtually all school uniforms were all black.
- Many residential buildings had no elevators, it was a major hassle climbing 20 floors of stairs.
- You'd see way more military on the streets.
- Lots of student riots.
- Corporal punishment was pretty severe compared to now (my best friend moved back to Korea, hence one of the reasons my family traveled to see the Olympics).
- No computers or cell phones.

Since 2002:
- The KTX, makes travel much more convenient.
- Tons of new highways, even in the regions.
- Korean cars in the last couple of years are much better quality.
- Way more foreign food available.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:

Since 1988:
- You'd see way more military on the streets.


Oh yeah, I totally forgot about all the soldiers with M-16s on a lot of the street corners. You don't see nearly as much any more.

jvalmer wrote:

Since 1988:
- No computers or cell phones.


Heh, back in 1988, cell phones were things of legend even in the U.S. I think I saw them on TV or in the movies, but never in real life. Back then, they cost $4000 for the phone and nearly $1 per minute of use.

The early 90s had a TON of arcades. Now the computer bangs have replaced them and it's kinda unusual to find an arcade.

jvalmer wrote:

Since 2002:
- Korean cars in the last couple of years are much better quality.


Back in the early nineties, nearly every car on the road was a late model. I exclaimed to a Korean that they must be rich to all drive relatively new cars. She said no, it's because Korean cars are "weak" and don't last every long.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
jvalmer wrote:

Since 1988:
- You'd see way more military on the streets.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about all the soldiers with M-16s on a lot of the street corners. You don't see nearly as much any more.

I'd usually see Korean MP's in the markets in pairs, with their helmets barely covering their eyes. They always were in that 18-22 age range. I assumed they were on the lookout for deserters, but I never knew why (and still don't know).
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1990 there was still a curfew and it still was pretty much a military dictatorship. I remember a regiment , fully armed marching down the middle of the street. Asked a Korean what was going on and what he told me was it was a show of strength, because there had been some protests. Yeah it was a country just starting to become modern. I remember North Korean raiders killed some folks . I had a lot of fun, foreigners were a novelty and I can remember signing autographs. I lived in Daegu.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
madoka wrote:
jvalmer wrote:

Since 1988:
- You'd see way more military on the streets.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about all the soldiers with M-16s on a lot of the street corners. You don't see nearly as much any more.

I'd usually see Korean MP's in the markets in pairs, with their helmets barely covering their eyes. They always were in that 18-22 age range. I assumed they were on the lookout for deserters, but I never knew why (and still don't know).


I don't remember seeing them in stores. Maybe I forgot about that. I remember all the women in hanboks who would bow to you in department stores. One would bow as you got on an escalator and another would bow as you got off. I remember that as I always wondered if I should bow back.

Oh yeah, the elevator attendants as well. You don't see see many of those any more. I think I only saw one my last time in Korea a couple of years ago.

Another thing that struck me as a major change is the number of subway lines that exist now. Back then, there were only a handful of lines available.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
I don't remember seeing them in stores.

Markets, as in outdoor markets.
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dantana



Joined: 01 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
1) English ability has increased greatly
2) Koreans have become more accustomed to seeing non-Koreans
3) Seoul is a lot more liveable, bearable (this could also be just me, as maybe I have just gotten more used to it)

By the way, I am talking about the peroid between 2002-now


Funny but I've been here twice over then years period and I haven't seen any changes except higher prices.

1) English ability still the same. All they can still say is " Hello how are you"? "I'm fine thank you" Still can't get service in English in most parts.
2) I would strongly disagree with accustomed to seeing non-Koreans because they love to stare at you no matter where you go. Try going in a subway and sit down and look in the corner of your eyes.
3) I think you have got used to it.....Seoul more livable. What does that mean? The prices there has gone up considerably there.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dantana wrote:
zappadelta wrote:
1) English ability has increased greatly
2) Koreans have become more accustomed to seeing non-Koreans
3) Seoul is a lot more liveable, bearable (this could also be just me, as maybe I have just gotten more used to it)

By the way, I am talking about the peroid between 2002-now


Funny but I've been here twice over then years period and I haven't seen any changes except higher prices.

1) English ability still the same. All they can still say is " Hello how are you"? "I'm fine thank you" Still can't get service in English in most parts.
2) I would strongly disagree with accustomed to seeing non-Koreans because they love to stare at you no matter where you go. Try going in a subway and sit down and look in the corner of your eyes.
3) I think you have got used to it.....Seoul more livable. What does that mean? The prices there has gone up considerably there.


You are crazy
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gmlkoreanna



Joined: 23 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toilet tissue is now available in most public restrooms. No more smoking allowed on buses and most public buildings. No longer have to spit in a paper cup to do a sobriety test. (at the check points). There is a starbucks practically anywhere you go! Can find lots of foreign foods outside of Itaewon. More tv channels to choose from. Remember the big 3? No more live DJ's sitting in those booths in coffee shops accepting your requests for songs, that were on LP's...Haven't seen one of them trucks that used to drive through the neighborhoods, blowing some kind of smoke out the back, to kill all them mosquitos in the summer time. Kids used to chase that truck till it was out of smoke... Don't hear alot of them guys that used to walk the streets late at night, yelling out rice cakes and chestnuts for sale. Schucks, lots has changed here in the Land of the Morning calm. Only things that seem to stay the same here, are the wages for teachers and a beer or two, from your discount mart!!!
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
dantana wrote:
zappadelta wrote:
1) English ability has increased greatly
2) Koreans have become more accustomed to seeing non-Koreans
3) Seoul is a lot more liveable, bearable (this could also be just me, as maybe I have just gotten more used to it)

By the way, I am talking about the peroid between 2002-now


Funny but I've been here twice over then years period and I haven't seen any changes except higher prices.

1) English ability still the same. All they can still say is " Hello how are you"? "I'm fine thank you" Still can't get service in English in most parts.
2) I would strongly disagree with accustomed to seeing non-Koreans because they love to stare at you no matter where you go. Try going in a subway and sit down and look in the corner of your eyes.
3) I think you have got used to it.....Seoul more livable. What does that mean? The prices there has gone up considerably there.


You are crazy


+1

There have been so many changes just in the 10 years I have been here.

Korean people now accept dyed hair, young girls even have short hair, men wear beards, some celebreties have tatoo's, etc.

Those are just the cosmetic changes.
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