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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Naomi Klein brilliant?"??" Ha ha ha ha ha! that made me snort cake through my nose. |
Naomi Klein is like Chomsky without the intellectual prowess. |
She's a Red Diaper Baby. A silver spoon up her arse. Married Avi Lewis. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Your link gets no attention because it's crap. The "real agenda" of some politicians is to -- gasp * believe it or not -- shirink growing debt, end unsustainable entitlements for overpaid government employees, shrink the government-encouraged welfare class, and lower kimbop's taxes while giving him more freedom and allowing him to defend his property. This is 'democratic' inasmuch as this is what voters voted for.
Naomi Klein is a communist. She sees islam as a non-threat, hates gun owners, and hates her judeo-christian civilizational roots. Her opinion only gets attention on partisan left-wing radical outlets like al jazeera (where her husband works).
Here's something much more poignant and interesting:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/10/rand-paul-to-obama-energy-official-why-are-you-pro-choice-on-abortion-but-not-on-toilets-and-lightbulbs/
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| Rand Paul to Obama energy official: Why are you pro-choice on abortion but not on toilets and lightbulbs? |
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I'm surprised that you or anyone would speak out against Ms. Klein on Dave's ESL (a teacher's website) since she is against Wisconsin gov. Scott Walker's union busting bill. In this bill, public teachers will be stripped of collective bargaining rights. They'll have to settle for whatever contract is handed to them every year. This will likely drive teacher salaries down further (so if you work in Korea, you'd probably be better off staying there).
Scott Walker is in bed with the billionaire Koch brothers, one of which ran in the last election with abolishing the minimum wage as part of his platform.
I posted the Naomi Klein link because I think every American (and Canadian - because Prime Minister Stephen Harper is probably watching the experiment happening down south with great interest - so that he can pulverize the working class in Canada) teacher should be really concerned that his / her livelihood is at stake. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm well aware of what's happened in Wisconsin. I disagree that if teachers are overpaid lavishly compared to their private sector equivalents, then *abracadabra! *poof!* they suddenly become better teachers and our students learn more effectively. This historically has not been the case.
I also support an end to any minimum wage.
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I posted the Naomi Klein link because I think every American (and Canadian - because Prime Minister Stephen Harper is probably watching the experiment happening down south with great interest - so that he can pulverize the working class in Canada) teacher should be really concerned that his / her livelihood is at stake. |
Replace "working class" with what you really mean: overpaid paper-pushing sweatpants-wearing government employees who vote Liberal. Also replace "livelihood" with "gravy train".
"At stake" is the taxpayer funded failure that has been paper-pushing bureaucrats who use democracy nefariously by simply voting for a pay raise. At my expense. Your country (Canada) is half a trillion dollars in debt thanks to Trudeau's propagation of your multi-culti socialist ideas. Your hero Harper has not much helped the situation, amassing consecutive $30 billion deficits to fund the sloth that are unionized, benefitted, pensioned federal government employees.
If you want a taste of the 'real world' then disregard Naomi Klein, join the private sector, and try working for a living. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I believe that the wrong people are paying for the U.S. gov.'s financial mismanagement. Targeting school teachers?
No one ever talks about the military budget. I wonder how many people know that 53 cents of every U.S. tax dollar goes to the military?
And that military is not even around to help the American people when they're needed. When Katrina hit New Orleans, the U.S. gov. had to hire mercenaries from Blackwater at $350 per day per man to patrol the streets because the military was committed overseas.
Meanwhile, contractors like Halliburton are robbing the American people by charging $99 per load of G.I. laundry and billing for delivery trucks that are driven around empty some of the time. This is well-documented in the film Iraq for Sale. You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pQ7UB5MjnA
But the leaders turn a blind eye to these abuses and target school teachers.
And what about the white collar criminals who caused the Wall Street meltdown? No trial. No conviction. Not even an investigation. But the American public funded the bailout. Oh boy! |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| I guess you could always make a donation to the Pauls' campaigns. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing at all new or even newsworthy about this. I thought it was a well known fact that Politcians the world over almost salivate during a crisis.
They pretty much always push through emergency bills under the guise of public safety or fiscal concerns. Doesn't matter what their politics are.
No one out there is actually surprised by that story are they, you'd have to be extremley naive if you were... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting that no one so far has actually contradicted what Ms Klein said: that right wing extremists are exploiting a situation, largely of their making, to push a radical political agenda.
Could that be because so many on this board agree with the extremists?
In the interview linked to in the OP, Ms Klein mentioned the bill in Michigan that I mentioned the other day. The bill has passed the House and is now in the Senate. It will allow the governor to declare a fiscal crisis and appoint an individual or corporation to take over a school district or municipality, abrogate contracts and dissolve local governments. She mentions, but does not discuss, that in Georgia there is already a town governed by a corportation. I'd like to know more about this.
From what I remember of the constitution, the federal government guarantees a republican government to all the states. It would seem that this does not extend to the cities and towns in the states. Very odd. Who needs democracy? I have to wonder if the people of that town have to pull their forelocks when the CEO rides past.
The hundred thousand or so people who marched in Madison on Saturday give hope that democracy will survive. Here is a link to the 7 minute barn-burner speech given by Tony Schultz, farmer (he obviously has a future in politics if he wants it): First sentence: "Has anyone seen Tom Joad?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOvqXoWB7s&feature=related |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting that no one so far has actually contradicted what Ms Klein said: that right wing extremists are exploiting a situation, largely of their making, to push a radical political agenda.
Could that be because so many on this board agree with the extremists? |
You know, I actually think that unions are a bad idea, particularly when they involve public employees.
You mean extremist?
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EXTREMIST! THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. RADICAL! REVOLUTIONARY IN A BAD AND SCARY WAY
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I actually think that unions are a bad idea, particularly when they involve public employees.
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So you think politicians can run on a set of issues but then when in office do other things--especially things that the public does not agree with? This is the issue at hand, not your personal feelings about unions. |
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