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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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I say if she wants out, she needs to get out... No reason to waste time in life doing the wrong things. Many schools are just not a good fit, and the way the contracts are written are heavily against the employed. The employed should have more rights than the employer to ensure fair workplace treatment.
So, I say to the OP, go with the wind! Korea may not have been right for you, and that's OK! |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| People's skin just keeps getting thinner and thinner. I suppose I should thank my ***** father for making me hard. In his words "suck it up, you're not old enough to have feelings." |
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computermichael
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Pseudo wrote: |
And this ladies and gents is why people in their very early twenties should not come to Korea to teach (no offense op if I'm wrong but anyone able to travel overseas should alreay know the answers to these questions.) |
Some of the worst people I've ever worked with were in their thirties. I'd argue it's the opposite. Somebody here who is old has either already been here for awhile or is dissatisfied enough with his or her home life to make teaching in Korea look like a good idea.
Forsooth, there are plenty who come here right out of college who don't give their ultra serious jobs teaching English the respect they deserve, but it's usually the older ones who are panty sniffers or stalkers.
Most people are pretty normal and can cope with it though.
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, let's continue to support NETs breaking contracts on a whim while simultaneously demanding Koreans take them more seriously. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Don't listen to any crap about people questioning why you are running. They have all these requirements and rules for NET's here with little (and I mean very little) oversight into how crappy so many of us are treated.
My job right now is great but I have been in awful situations in the past and I just bailed. If they or anyone else didn't like it they can shove it! |
Yes NETs are often treated badly here; however, in 90% of those cases, there's a better solution than breaking contracts and possibly immigration laws. |
5 years ago, I did the right thing, gave 6 weeks notice, and got screwed. In 90% of the cases (I can pull statistics out of my derriere, too!), the Korean employers are well aware that being soon to leave, you are unable to avail yourself of their decent court system.
But, if I were still teaching in Korea, I'd be against runners.
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| The only situation I can imagine that would warrant a full-blown tell-no-one runner would be one involving abuse or threatening behavior. |
If you don't want to return to Korea, and giving notice will cause you to lose more money than not, then pulling a runner makes the most sense.
Your employer will dislike you for breaking your contract. My sense is many Korean employers think the contracts protect them. They think you are a highly paid indentured servant. Most Koreans take business personally. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still curious as to why the OP is running and what city she's teaching in.
But if you can't handle living abroad then just get out. No sense in staying somewhere that's killing you inside. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| 5 years ago, I did the right thing, gave 6 weeks notice, and got screwed. |
How did you get screwed? If you gave notice and they continued to screw you, why did you stay? Would you have been screwed less had you not given notice? I fail to see how you giving notice could have screwed you anymore than had you just up and left unannounced. Except for those cases of abuse and threatening behavior I mentioned earlier. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| 5 years ago, I did the right thing, gave 6 weeks notice, and got screwed. |
How did you get screwed? If you gave notice and they continued to screw you, why did you stay? Would you have been screwed less had you not given notice? I fail to see how you giving notice could have screwed you anymore than had you just up and left unannounced. Except for those cases of abuse and threatening behavior I mentioned earlier. |
You aren't making sense here. First you ask people to leave respectfully, here you question Kuros why he decided to do the right thing.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| 5 years ago, I did the right thing, gave 6 weeks notice, and got screwed. |
How did you get screwed? If you gave notice and they continued to screw you, why did you stay? Would you have been screwed less had you not given notice? I fail to see how you giving notice could have screwed you anymore than had you just up and left unannounced. Except for those cases of abuse and threatening behavior I mentioned earlier. |
They kept part of my pay, obviously. After I gave six weeks notice, they told me they would deduct part of my pay as a penalty, and made me sign a document stating that I agreed with this in order to collect the remainder of my pay. Clearly this was a case of duress, but I didn't have time to go to court, as they waited until the last week of my contract.
Does everyone understand why people do midnight runs now? Let's just dispense with the whole Korea thing for a moment. Wouldn't many Western employers do the same thing in the same circumstances? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
You aren't making sense here. First you ask people to leave respectfully, here you question Kuros why he decided to do the right thing.
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I ask people to not make midnight runs. If your boss is stiffing you, at least give him an ultimatum. Kuros gave 6 weeks (is that much time even necessary?) notice. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
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You aren't making sense here. First you ask people to leave respectfully, here you question Kuros why he decided to do the right thing.
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I ask people to not make midnight runs. If your boss is stiffing you, at least give him an ultimatum. Kuros gave 6 weeks (is that much time even necessary?) notice. |
I think 4 weeks notice is standard. This contract said 6 weeks. North Korea had just set off their bomb so there was a labor shortage. My wonjangnim (a Korean w/ American citizenship) couldn't find an American within the first 5 of the weeks. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Does everyone understand why people do midnight runs now? Let's just dispense with the whole Korea thing for a moment. Wouldn't many Western employers do the same thing in the same circumstances? |
I understand why people do midnight runs, 90% (yes, from my educated derriere) of the time it's because of cowardice. The runner is simply afraid to confront their employer or their own feelings. It's running away, plain and simple. The more NETs stand up for themselves, the better things will get for everyone involved. Don't move halfway around the world if you can't stand up for yourself.
Western employers would probably sue you for breach of contract if you did a runner and stayed in the country. This isn't about Korea vs the west, it's about common sense. |
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SCAshley
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you all for the responses-I wasn't looking for people to validate or agree with my decision, just wanted to be sure of a few things. Thanks! |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| SCAshley wrote: |
| Thank you all for the responses-I wasn't looking for people to validate or agree with my decision, just wanted to be sure of a few things. Thanks! |
If your reasons are legit, sorry for sounding like an ass. |
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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I did a midnight run recently, and don`t regret it. Virtually everything in the contract was rendered void and revised
Teaching at a branch 5 mins walking distance away from your apartment all of a sudden was teaching at a branch 40+ min away by food and not having bus or taxi transportation covered
Deductions on an already paltry 2.1mil salary all of a sudden are much higher than what was stated in the contract
No experience necessary and you`re only teaching little kids tuns into mainly teaching high schoolers working on SAT`and TOEFL
And so on
Still, despite them deceiving me I do feel bad regarding the 1300KRW they wasted getting me there, then again I spent all that time and money on my visa, criminal checks, etc. just to see it go down the drain. Do any midnight runners pay back the airfare when they get back home |
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