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rusty1983
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| It makes me fucking sick. I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. It isn't economical. If I ever had any illusions that we were trying to be good it has all been shot to pieces. No one here cares about anything but themselves, clearly. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| It makes me fucking sick. I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. It isn't economical. If I ever had any illusions that we were trying to be good it has all been shot to pieces. No one here cares about anything but themselves, clearly. |
Why does this have to be America's dance? Can't the Libyan rebels take some of the Euros to the prom? |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| It makes me fucking sick. I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. It isn't economical. If I ever had any illusions that we were trying to be good it has all been shot to pieces. No one here cares about anything but themselves, clearly. |
Why does this have to be America's dance? Can't the Libyan rebels take some of the Euros to the prom? |
Yeah it doesnt have to be America, but it is no one. America or any other big power for that matter could sort it out in a few days if they wanted to though no? But they wont bother. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. |
Libyans would turn on any foreigners who intervened.
Always happens. Its the same as a weygook attempting to save a Korean woman from a beating at the hands of her boyfriend. They will unite against the outsider.
Case in point, last week UK sent in some SAS commandos: who were promptly captured and expelled by the rebels. If that is gratitude, then they will have to fight gaddafi alone. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| It makes me fucking sick. I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. It isn't economical. If I ever had any illusions that we were trying to be good it has all been shot to pieces. No one here cares about anything but themselves, clearly. |
Why does this have to be America's dance? Can't the Libyan rebels take some of the Euros to the prom? |
Yeah it doesnt have to be America, but it is no one. America or any other big power for that matter could sort it out in a few days if they wanted to though no? But they wont bother. |
This is Europe's problem, if it is anyone's. Let's see the world's champion hand-sitters take care of a problem on their own. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. |
Libyans would turn on any foreigners who intervened.
Always happens. Its the same as a weygook attempting to save a Korean woman from a beating at the hands of her boyfriend. They will unite against the outsider.
Case in point, last week UK sent in some SAS commandos: who were promptly captured and expelled by the rebels. If that is gratitude, then they will have to fight gaddafi alone. |
Maybe if that damn SAS and UK had given the rebels NOTICE that they were coming, the rebels would have been more accommodating. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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The UN is so useless in this matter.
Its probably only a matter of days before the rebellion is crushed, the rebels massacured and the UN will wring its hands and say "oh what a shame".
Its such a shame. Libyans will probably be ground under the heel of a dictatorship for the next 20 yrs.
The UN is such a waste of space that if Nazi Germany existed today, even with the Holocaust going on, they would probably wring thier hands and say we would like to argue for a no fly zone, we really would, but what can we do?
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| It makes me fucking sick. I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. It isn't economical. If I ever had any illusions that we were trying to be good it has all been shot to pieces. No one here cares about anything but themselves, clearly. |
Why does this have to be America's dance? Can't the Libyan rebels take some of the Euros to the prom? |
Yeah it doesnt have to be America, but it is no one. America or any other big power for that matter could sort it out in a few days if they wanted to though no? But they wont bother. |
This is Europe's problem, if it is anyone's. Let's see the world's champion hand-sitters take care of a problem on their own. |
This is the continuing cost of the Afghanistan conflict. The Americans cannot afford to intervene in Libya. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703818204576206373350344478.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
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The United Nations Security Council authorized military strikes on Libya Thursday evening, and U.S. and European officials said air attacks against Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were possible "within hours."
The Pentagon was already fine-tuning military options for "serious" strikes against ground and air targets should the White House order them, said U.S. defense officials.
Options included using cruise missiles to take out fixed Libyan military sites and air-defense systems, according to these officials. Manned and unmanned aircraft could also be used against Col. Gadhafi's tanks, personnel carriers and infantry positions, with sorties being flown out of U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization bases in the southern Mediterranean.
"There is significant, serious planning going on right now," a U.S. official said. The options would be "more aggressive than a show of force."
Washington, however, was reluctant for any military operation in Libya to be seen as American-led. NATO involvement in military action was possible, depending on the outcome in the Security Council, a European diplomat said. |
God damn it. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah. Let's bomb another muslim nation. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| This is really getting ridiculous. The more I pay attention to our foreign policy the more it seems to be based on the idea that America thinks of itself as Gallant in a sea of Goofuses, the way a self-righteous 12 year old would. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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The UN security council was created for situations such as the Libya crisis, the nations with the largest militaries in different areas of the world would protect civilians when situations similar to the Libya issue arose.
It simply became a veto machine where if they dont use it to protect weaker people then close it down as its a waste of space.
The fact that it took this long to put into practice the concept of a non fly zone which is still useless when most damage is done by tanks, artillary and ships is stupid.
Though if Ghaddafis Libya carries out its threat to attack civilian vessels in the med, then it should be goodbye Ghaddafi. |
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mises
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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and U.S. and European officials said air attacks against Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were possible "within hours."
... Manned and unmanned aircraft could also be used against Col. Gadhafi's tanks, personnel carriers and infantry positions, |
Dawn in Libya comes in early afternoon Korea time. Has anyone heard anything about actual implementation?
From what I've seen so far, this is to be a British-French thing with one or more Arab allies and only support from the US. Is this what others are hearing? Who is the Arab ally? Saudi Arabia? Egypt?
The alJazeera reporter says he hasn't been hugged so much since his daughter's birthday, that the people of Benghazi think they have won and are ecstatic. It certainly looks different from Baghdad, '03. Time will tell if the outcome is different. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| I have been speaking to my Libyan friends and what they need now is US and UK influence. This is what they say now, it's not going to happen though is it. |
Libyans would turn on any foreigners who intervened.
Always happens. Its the same as a weygook attempting to save a Korean woman from a beating at the hands of her boyfriend. They will unite against the outsider.
Case in point, last week UK sent in some SAS commandos: who were promptly captured and expelled by the rebels. If that is gratitude, then they will have to fight gaddafi alone. |
I don't think this will be the case there, the rebels seem pretty keen on intervention. They are currently very happy about the resolution.
Going to be a lot of 'they're stealing our oil paranoia' though no doubt. Will need to be handled well in the aftermath..... |
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