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Cerulean
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| Right rumdiary. Thanks for reminding me. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: Re: stay there! |
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you may think you job isn't so hot, but it beats not having one. there are seemingly no jobs here in the US. stay there and pad your bank account. you'll need it ALL if/when the economy rebounds.
i apply for jobs in the US. 400 applications for 1 opening is common. |
...and even in you do have a job in the States things aren't all that great. I came back from Korea late last year and got a job here pretty quickly, but I'm working longer hours than ever. In addition, the price of everything has gone up, my company is taking out almost $200 a month for my health insurance, gas is $4 a gallon now, food is getting more expensive, etc.
Korea really isn't a bad gig at all; I'm actually thinking about going back! |
The same thing is going on in Korea. A few years ago you hardly ever saw jobs that required you to work more than 30 hours a week. Now most schools want you to work over 40. And the pay has remained the same. The price of food has also gone up more in Korea than it has in the U.S. And guess how much you will be making in Korea 5-10 years from now. About the same amount as the teacher who has only been in Korea for a month. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: Re: stay there! |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| Evanzinho wrote: |
| mistermasan wrote: |
you may think you job isn't so hot, but it beats not having one. there are seemingly no jobs here in the US. stay there and pad your bank account. you'll need it ALL if/when the economy rebounds.
i apply for jobs in the US. 400 applications for 1 opening is common. |
...and even in you do have a job in the States things aren't all that great. I came back from Korea late last year and got a job here pretty quickly, but I'm working longer hours than ever. In addition, the price of everything has gone up, my company is taking out almost $200 a month for my health insurance, gas is $4 a gallon now, food is getting more expensive, etc.
Korea really isn't a bad gig at all; I'm actually thinking about going back! |
The same thing is going on in Korea. A few years ago you hardly ever saw jobs that required you to work more than 30 hours a week. Now most schools want you to work over 40. And the pay has remained the same. The price of food has also gone up more in Korea than it has in the U.S. And guess how much you will be making in Korea 5-10 years from now. About the same amount as the teacher who has only been in Korea for a month. |
And even for people who have not lived abroad for the last 15 years, starting a career at 30 or 40 or 50 is a lot harder than starting a career at 25. That's not to say it can't be done, lots of people change careers, but it takes a lot of investment of time and money and the older you get the harder it is. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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It really depends on your education and experience as to whether you get a job or not...
People I know who get jobs (Ranging from right out of university to within 3-6 months of graduation)
- Health Science Majors (nurses, MRI technicians, etc)
- Certain science degrees like Geology (Oil, Gas, Precious Metals etc.) and Biochemistry (pharmaceutical companies)
-Certain Business Degrees (Accounting and Finance)
- Certain Engineering Degrees
- Agriculture (people have to eat!)
Friends I know who have been searching for 1 year or more and are currently unemployed or working for minimum wage:
- Most science majors (biology, chemistry, physics)...
- Most business majors (Human Resource Management, International Business, Marketing)
- ALL arts majors (geography, sociology, history, French, German etc.)
The above is based on my experience with the labour market in Vancouver, Canada. However, the statistics I have seen seem to back this up as well. |
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derbot
Joined: 04 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| mistermasan wrote: |
you may think you job isn't so hot, but it beats not having one. there are seemingly no jobs here in the US. stay there and pad your bank account. you'll need it ALL if/when the economy rebounds.
i apply for jobs in the US. 400 applications for 1 opening is common. |
Yet, you seem so professional. How could anybody NOT hire you??
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| I live in the north east of England and all we have are 12k customer service jobs. The place has seen endemic under and mis investment by successive governments. It's a real challenge to break even and I know so many people in their 30s still living at home. I can see the appeal of Korea for sure. Few privates and your clearing �1000 a month. |
Yeah, that's the thing about working illegally - it usually helps you get around the system. I'm guessing that works just as well in England as it does anywhere else. |
It's legal if your school signs off on it. Had a friend who only worked part time, but had privates set up through the school. |
How so? Did Immigration say... 'sure, head to that person's house and tech privates'?
Your school can say all they want, they can even hook you up with it, but if Immigration doesn't agree, nothing else matters. |
If they were paying the tax for it then it's legal, right? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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No, that's not how it works. The company can be legally charging for services all they want, but if you are working in a location that is not approved by immigration, you are in violation.
Hog won A can contract and bill coffee shop B for English services, but if an E2 teacher tries to teach there without having Immigration sign off on it, it is illegal. Both the teacher and hog won may be fined and the teacher is subject to possible deportation. |
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davemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
It really depends on your education and experience as to whether you get a job or not...
People I know who get jobs (Ranging from right out of university to within 3-6 months of graduation)
- Health Science Majors (nurses, MRI technicians, etc)
- Certain science degrees like Geology (Oil, Gas, Precious Metals etc.) and Biochemistry (pharmaceutical companies)
-Certain Business Degrees (Accounting and Finance)
- Certain Engineering Degrees
- Agriculture (people have to eat!)
Friends I know who have been searching for 1 year or more and are currently unemployed or working for minimum wage:
- Most science majors (biology, chemistry, physics)...
- Most business majors (Human Resource Management, International Business, Marketing)
- ALL arts majors (geography, sociology, history, French, German etc.)
The above is based on my experience with the labour market in Vancouver, Canada. However, the statistics I have seen seem to back this up as well. |
This post is spot on. Health care has demand. Good engineers are in demand in the energy field. I was a business major and I remember nobody wanting to be a "bean counter" well those bean counters are hugely in demand. Also I know lots that have had a lot of luck finding jobs with biochem/pharm degrees.
Also a crap shoot is getting a law degree. Lots are getting placed at $20-25/hour making the $100-150k degree investment terrible. Most of those that luck out and make 80k+ end up hating their life.
To the poster discussing traffic. This is not the case everywhere. My commute was 13minutes if I timed it right or if I happened to need to run to the office quickly after dinner. If I came home between 4:30 and 6:30 that same drive was 45minutes to 90 minutes. I have friends in other big cities that complain about the same daily. There havce been days were a few of sit in traffic and send each other photos on FB of us sitting in traffic... and we are in different cities, in different states. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| davemon wrote: |
| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
It really depends on your education and experience as to whether you get a job or not...
People I know who get jobs (Ranging from right out of university to within 3-6 months of graduation)
- Health Science Majors (nurses, MRI technicians, etc)
- Certain science degrees like Geology (Oil, Gas, Precious Metals etc.) and Biochemistry (pharmaceutical companies)
-Certain Business Degrees (Accounting and Finance)
- Certain Engineering Degrees
- Agriculture (people have to eat!)
Friends I know who have been searching for 1 year or more and are currently unemployed or working for minimum wage:
- Most science majors (biology, chemistry, physics)...
- Most business majors (Human Resource Management, International Business, Marketing)
- ALL arts majors (geography, sociology, history, French, German etc.)
The above is based on my experience with the labour market in Vancouver, Canada. However, the statistics I have seen seem to back this up as well. |
This post is spot on. Health care has demand. Good engineers are in demand in the energy field. I was a business major and I remember nobody wanting to be a "bean counter" well those bean counters are hugely in demand. Also I know lots that have had a lot of luck finding jobs with biochem/pharm degrees.
Also a crap shoot is getting a law degree. Lots are getting placed at $20-25/hour making the $100-150k degree investment terrible. Most of those that luck out and make 80k+ end up hating their life.
To the poster discussing traffic. This is not the case everywhere. My commute was 13minutes if I timed it right or if I happened to need to run to the office quickly after dinner. If I came home between 4:30 and 6:30 that same drive was 45minutes to 90 minutes. I have friends in other big cities that complain about the same daily. There havce been days were a few of sit in traffic and send each other photos on FB of us sitting in traffic... and we are in different cities, in different states. |
There are also many jobs working with your hands that pay well and are in high demand. Mike Rowe was talking about this at the TED conference not long ago. There was a huge push that started 20 years ago to get everyone to go to college and manual labor was really criticized. Now we have a shortage of skilled workers and BA's are hardly worth the paper they're printed on. An entry level pipe fitter starts off at $25 an hour and the person taking the job doesn't have student loans to pay back. Not a bad gig. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| derbot wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| mistermasan wrote: |
you may think you job isn't so hot, but it beats not having one. there are seemingly no jobs here in the US. stay there and pad your bank account. you'll need it ALL if/when the economy rebounds.
i apply for jobs in the US. 400 applications for 1 opening is common. |
Yet, you seem so professional. How could anybody NOT hire you??
| BroodingSea wrote: |
| I live in the north east of England and all we have are 12k customer service jobs. The place has seen endemic under and mis investment by successive governments. It's a real challenge to break even and I know so many people in their 30s still living at home. I can see the appeal of Korea for sure. Few privates and your clearing �1000 a month. |
Yeah, that's the thing about working illegally - it usually helps you get around the system. I'm guessing that works just as well in England as it does anywhere else. |
It's legal if your school signs off on it. Had a friend who only worked part time, but had privates set up through the school. |
How so? Did Immigration say... 'sure, head to that person's house and tech privates'?
Your school can say all they want, they can even hook you up with it, but if Immigration doesn't agree, nothing else matters. |
If they were paying the tax for it then it's legal, right? |
Be careful. Schools and recruiters will openly lie to you about Korean law to line their pockets but if you get caught they will claim it was all your idea. Besides, how do you know they're paying taxes? |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
No, that's not how it works. The company can be legally charging for services all they want, but if you are working in a location that is not approved by immigration, you are in violation.
Hog won A can contract and bill coffee shop B for English services, but if an E2 teacher tries to teach there without having Immigration sign off on it, it is illegal. Both the teacher and hog won may be fined and the teacher is subject to possible deportation. |
So the Korean hagwon owners should go to jail for lying about Korean law to foreigners, right Captain Corea? All breakers of Korean law should go to jail? Do you agree? |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| BroodingSea wrote: |
| I live in the north east of England and all we have are 12k customer service jobs. The place has seen endemic under and mis investment by successive governments. It's a real challenge to break even and I know so many people in their 30s still living at home. I can see the appeal of Korea for sure. Few privates and your clearing �1000 a month. |
I'm from Canada and all we have is 12k (after taxes) customer service jobs. That's $12,000 per year which is half what you guys are making in England. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
| BroodingSea wrote: |
| I live in the north east of England and all we have are 12k customer service jobs. The place has seen endemic under and mis investment by successive governments. It's a real challenge to break even and I know so many people in their 30s still living at home. I can see the appeal of Korea for sure. Few privates and your clearing �1000 a month. |
I'm from Canada and all we have is 12k (after taxes) customer service jobs. |
You can get better than that (30k baht per month=CAD$1000/mo) in Thailand (or any other 3rd world country in Asia), even as a fresh of the boat newbie with "0" experience
AND there is NO snow or cold to deal with
AND the cost of living is about 25% of what it is in Canada.
Damn, you must like winter or something.
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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The posts that mention certain jobs and industries in demand hit the nail on the head.
A wise thing to do is prepare yourself for the marketplace you're going back to. Whether that is an online master's degree, some sort of certification or what have you.
As for Korea, its advisable to only work for your school even if that school sets you up with some outside work, immigration does have to approve it. Far be it for me to advise anyone to break the law or be in violation of it but the reality I have seen is that I've never seen any friends or acquaintences of mine get deported or fined or caught.
I read stories on here all the time about someone who knows someone but I have not seen it. Ever. I know a couple forums for teachers in my city where privates are discussed and info on privates are passed around openly and freely. The city is a sizeable one. This is my second city and the other was the same. Again, although this sounds like an invitation to break the law, it isn't, but just stating the reality I see every day. Other than reading it on here, I've been to many teacher bars as well as scoffee shop conversations and privates were always discussed freely and openly as if its practically legal. Hushed at the workplace, but that is because of the school not because of immigration. Bosses and directors generally don't want their teachers teaching elsewhere. Totally understandable since it was there dime the visa is on and also their responsibility. |
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BroodingSea
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Location: North Shields
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| I personally think the less you use the word "privates", the better. Should you go down that route dont broadcast it and ever use that word to describe the activity. Yes it's a lucrative option and a few hours a week can be profitable. But Korea is different beast these days and it's tempremant for such activities seems much less inclined to view it as anything other than reprehensible compared with the out of sight of mind from a decade or so ago. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| davemon wrote: |
| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
It really depends on your education and experience as to whether you get a job or not...
People I know who get jobs (Ranging from right out of university to within 3-6 months of graduation)
- Health Science Majors (nurses, MRI technicians, etc)
- Certain science degrees like Geology (Oil, Gas, Precious Metals etc.) and Biochemistry (pharmaceutical companies)
-Certain Business Degrees (Accounting and Finance)
- Certain Engineering Degrees
- Agriculture (people have to eat!)
Friends I know who have been searching for 1 year or more and are currently unemployed or working for minimum wage:
- Most science majors (biology, chemistry, physics)...
- Most business majors (Human Resource Management, International Business, Marketing)
- ALL arts majors (geography, sociology, history, French, German etc.)
The above is based on my experience with the labour market in Vancouver, Canada. However, the statistics I have seen seem to back this up as well. |
This post is spot on. Health care has demand. Good engineers are in demand in the energy field. I was a business major and I remember nobody wanting to be a "bean counter" well those bean counters are hugely in demand. Also I know lots that have had a lot of luck finding jobs with biochem/pharm degrees.
Also a crap shoot is getting a law degree. Lots are getting placed at $20-25/hour making the $100-150k degree investment terrible. Most of those that luck out and make 80k+ end up hating their life. |
I agree. I'm lucky I'm not living under a bridge with the kind of degrees I have. |
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