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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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It doesn't matter who it is... It doesn't matter what the policies are... It doesn't matter if they turn the economy around or run it into the ground.
What matters is who you had for grade 9 high school social studies.
Stephen Harper could personally create 1 million new jobs, and discover the cure for cancer and aids in the same week, and then move on to bringing peace for Palestine and Israel... Then he could create a space colony on Mars and get there using cold fusion engines that he designed personally. 3 days after that he could reach Enlightenment and become a Bodhisattva helping all mankind. Superman and Batman would come and pay homage to him, and the whole world would listen to his wisdom. After 1000 years of peace, he would fade into the wind. The world would cry, knowing that many years of darkness were upon them... But, they would take courage with Harper's parting words..."......" which like Lost in Translation's ending... remain a secret only known to those who know the director of the universe.
And you know what? The only thing that matters is who your grade 9 socials teacher was. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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MP's report finds government in contempt.
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The Conservative government is in contempt of Parliament, a report by a committee of MPs tabled Monday concludes.
The government's failure to produce all documents that had been requested from it or to provide a satisfactory explanation for withholding them impedes the ability of MPs to carry out their duties, the report said, and the government is therefore in contempt.
The 26-page report was tabled late Monday afternoon and 48 hours must go by before the House of Commons can vote on whether to accept the committee's report. The finding is a historic one and it paves the way for the Liberals, or any of the other opposition parties, to move a non-confidence motion on the matter and bring down Prime Minister Stephen Harper's minority government.
The procedure and house affairs committee began meeting early Monday morning to finalize a draft of the report that had been prepared over the weekend following two days of hearings last week. The committee was tasked with deciding whether the government breached the privilege of MPs by not supplying sufficient documentation on the estimated costs of corporate tax cuts, proposed crime legislation and the F-35 fighter jet procurement. Some amendments were made and the final report was made public Monday afternoon.
"This contempt report � a first in the history of Canada and the Commonwealth � is the result of the Harper regime's abuse of power," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said in a statement. He added that the finding undermines the credibility of the federal budget that is set to be delivered Tuesday, because the government can't be trusted.
Conservative MPs on the opposition-dominated committee did not support the contempt finding and issued a dissenting report. It said that the opposition MPs had "pre-judged the outcome of the hearings before they had even begun" and "ignored" information provided by the government.
"The report tabled by the committee is simply a piece of partisan gamesmanship that diminishes the important work of Parliament," the dissenting report states.
The motion is expected to be debated Wednesday or Thursday and is scheduled for three hours of debate. Because Wednesday is a short sitting day in the House of Commons, the debate may have to continue next week to get the full three hours. If the debate happens Thursday, the vote will take place March 30.
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I don't know enough about Canadian politics to know if this is especially meaningful. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Harper's got my vote. He ain't perfect, but the others are twits. As for the fiscal irresponsibility, blame that on a minority. Give him a majority this time and he'll fix the deficit. With our taxes being lower than they've been before and our fiscal responsibility restored, we will sail along as we have over the last several years. We got hit the least worst by this recession compared to other industrialized countries because of our fiscal environment. Put the Lib - NDP coalition in and we'll end up like the USA in 10 years time with a crippling national debt and taxes through the roof. Some things of Harper I don't like, but I'll stick with the devil I know. Ignatieff is no Chretien. I didn't like everything he did either, but at least he was a smart politician and started us down the road of fiscal responsibility. But that thinking left the Liberal party long ago. I have little sympathy for beauracrats with their over genereous salaries, benefits, and perks. I also think the government regulates and makes life too much of a hassle sometimes. I believe in a simple life while still protecting people's basic needs. Budget cuts will not affect the majority of us anyways. Some speicl interest groups and lobbyists might get
p!ssed but screw 'em; who cares? When it affects me and I actually get a benefit then we'll talk. If Ignatieff says he'll wipe out all student loans the day after the election, then maybe I'd consider switching my vote. Because Korea is sure not paying like it use to! |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I mostly agree.
I look at the bigger picture. Canada is one of the healthiest economies in the world, one of the brightest futures, and a great place to live. That has continued under Harper.
Give me someone better and I will jump ship. That person has failed to appear yet.
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Harper's got my vote. He ain't perfect, but the others are twits. As for the fiscal irresponsibility, blame that on a minority. Give him a majority this time and he'll fix the deficit. With our taxes being lower than they've been before and our fiscal responsibility restored, we will sail along as we have over the last several years. We got hit the least worst by this recession compared to other industrialized countries because of our fiscal environment. Put the Lib - NDP coalition in and we'll end up like the USA in 10 years time with a crippling national debt and taxes through the roof. Some things of Harper I don't like, but I'll stick with the devil I know. Ignatieff is no Chretien. I didn't like everything he did either, but at least he was a smart politician and started us down the road of fiscal responsibility. But that thinking left the Liberal party long ago. I have little sympathy for beauracrats with their over genereous salaries, benefits, and perks. I also think the government regulates and makes life too much of a hassle sometimes. I believe in a simple life while still protecting people's basic needs. Budget cuts will not affect the majority of us anyways. Some speicl interest groups and lobbyists might get
p!ssed but screw 'em; who cares? When it affects me and I actually get a benefit then we'll talk. If Ignatieff says he'll wipe out all student loans the day after the election, then maybe I'd consider switching my vote. Because Korea is sure not paying like it use to! |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Canada is one of the healthiest economies in the world, one of the brightest futures, and a great place to live. |
I think my eyes are bleeding. Come again?
Where in Canada did you live in exactly? Why did you leave such a glorious nation with such healthy economy for Korea? I'm very confused as to why you you believe in such things.
As for reforming of the Canadian government, I couldn't give a care. I've already abandoned that country a long while ago. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: |
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I think my eyes are bleeding. Come again?
Where in Canada did you live in exactly? Why did you leave such a glorious nation with such healthy economy for Korea? I'm very confused as to why you you believe in such things.
As for reforming of the Canadian government, I couldn't give a care. I've already abandoned that country a long while ago. |
Canadian politicians suck. I know. But I wouldn't say Canada is a failure. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
I look at the bigger picture. Canada is one of the healthiest economies in the world, one of the brightest futures, and a great place to live. That has continued under Harper.
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Canada is a very nice to live by any measure. It is in the late stages of a crack-up-boom credit bubble. Canadians have brought future consumption into the present by taking on a very large debt burden.
http://financialinsights.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/scotia-on-the-tapped-out-consumer-td-on-ontarios-debt-problems/
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/canada-bubble
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/16/the-canada-bubble/
http://financialinsights.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/i-should-be-very-worried-about-canada-paul-krugman/
Harper's economic management during the housing correction was to utilize the CMHC to keep the party going. I'm confident the Liberals would have done exactly the same thing. It will not end well. Every day that passes without a correction makes the inevitable correction more severe.
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I dislike Harper's style of governing. He's unnecessarily secretive and is stubborn. Canada should not be participating in the Afghanistan war or this Libyan attack. We sure as hell shouldn't be spending hoards of money on new fighter planes. At 9% unemployment he's kept immigration high (another way to describe this is that Harper supports a low wage policy). Quite a bit of the things I oppose the Liberals would have probably made worse.
Canada is a nation of 34 million sitting on an incredible resource bounty. Yet Canadians have to work more for less. We inherited British ideas about freedom of speech and thought, yet we're on the freeway to (modern) British style Orwellian freakshow.
Like the US, Canada is strong because of the past. The current political-economy is dysfunctional. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| I left Canada when Paul Martin was in office and was being battered by a missing $100 million that just happened to go to companies he had ties with while he was finance minister. More or less as a result, Harper's conservatives got a minority and there's been nothing but political strife ever since. Like someone else said, despite his successful economic policy, he's no Chretien. If he were, I'd probably be back there by now. We'll always have the pie. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| I don't like any of the leaders, I think another Conservative minority is the way to go. Ignatieff is the worst of the 3 leaders. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Harper's not going anywhere. Canada won't have an election this year. |
I was wrong.
Ignatieff cannot - will not admit his hidden agenda to form a coalition. This video's incredible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okrouXVANsM
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With respect sir, the questioner shouted back, you haven�t answered my question.
Ignatieff began again. �There�s a blue door and a red door��
The pack took up the howl. �Answer the question!� �You haven�t answered the question!� At which Ignatieff � well, the only word is fled.
It was an astonishing debacle. He must have known the question was coming. For goodness sake, it�s the centrepiece of the Tory campaign. Has been for months. And this was the best answer he could come up with? Red door, blue door? Did he really think that obvious non-answer would be enough? Even the Toronto Star reporter was unimpressed. |
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/25/iggys-coalition-problem/
Ignatieff will form a coalition if the Cons win another minority. Rumours abound that he might even approach the GG tomorrow.
The following went unreported by the biased, left-wing CBC:
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The Conservative party is approaching majority territory on the eve of a federal election campaign, according to a poll conducted for Global National and Postmedia News by Ipsos Reid.
If an election were held today, 43 per cent of the national vote would support Stephen Harper�s Conservatives, while Michael Ignatieff and the Liberals would receive 24 per cent, according to the poll. |
http://www.globalregina.com/Tories+near+majority+territory+poll/4498707/story.html
Conservative majority. Despite the fact that "Harper has got to go", I admit I will enjoy the lower taxes, First Nations accountability, repeal of gun control, 3rd-world immigration barriers, public employee trimming, and the general slowdown of orwellian nanny government. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Conservative majority. Despite the fact that "Harper has got to go", I admit I will enjoy the lower taxes, First Nations accountability, repeal of gun control, 3rd-world immigration barriers, public employee trimming, and the general slowdown of orwellian nanny government. |
I don't think any of those things have happened. Maybe some minor tinkering around the edges. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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I mean after -- and if -- Harper gets a majority, hopefully these evil right-wing ideas will materialize.
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Whoever leads the party that wins the most seats on election day should be called on to form the government.
If that is the Liberal Party, then I will be required to rapidly seek the confidence of the newly-elected Parliament. If our government cannot win the support of the House, then Mr. Harper will be called on to form a government and face the same challenge�
If, as Leader of the Liberal Party, I am given the privilege of forming the government, these are the rules that will guide me:
� We will not enter a coalition with other federalist parties. In our system, coalitions are a legitimate constitutional option. However, I believe that issue-by-issue collaboration with other parties is the best way for minority Parliaments to function. |
Why the continued ambiguity? Why not explicitly mention Harper's probable minority government? |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| I mean after -- and if -- Harper gets a majority, hopefully these evil right-wing ideas will materialize. |
Under a minority, he already has accomplished ALOT.
Cuts to the GST and corporate taxes. Gutted Paul Martin's monster handout to natives (the kelowna accord). Nearly scrapped the registry, kept the amnesty, and unlike Mulroney, didn't bring in more knee-jerk controls after a school shooting (Dawson college).
We've seen decide strides on immigration reform, slimming the bureaucracy, and preserving freedoms.
He has also respecting provincial autonomy more than any Prime Minister in recent memory.
With a majority, Harper can finally turn Canada into the prosperous, respectful, and free society we all want. |
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