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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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 Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I also want to say that focusing on how foreign journalists perceive us and not say, focusing on enabling us to teach privates for kiss my butt money all the live long day, is why these people don't appeal to me.
Label me a Fascist-Anarchist it I can teach privates for 60,000 won an hour.
And if this is our big conference, can we at least drop all the noise about Koreans and "image". |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| Naturally, the parents all believe it, |
Really? How do you figure? |
Where do you teach, Captain? How many parents do you deal with? |
I teach adults/parents... and they request me. If they thought foreigners were so bad, they wouldn't. In fact, they are constantly asking me to teach their kids (and I refuse).
So out of the hundreds of Korean adults I have taught, I'd say that me experiences with their perceptions run exactly opposite as those I questioned. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
| in the us media, iran and china and bin laden are usually the targets. Here in Korea, which is very small and not the focus of much at all, they have to make their enemies, but they cant really say much about NK unless the world news reports it, dont want to upset the pro-nk party or make em lose face! so, et's are an easy target, no? although with all the foreign brides and new et's coming in, ill bet they will have to tone it down a bit, because more and more foreigners will rise up.... |
Is it anti-foreigner or anti-NET?
It doesn't help that a lot of foreigners working in non-English jobs take a dim view of many of us and probably express this to their co-workers.
I'm sorry but the foreigners that Koreans actually care about are either A)Their spouses or B)Those who work in big businesses.
NETs are not the center of the foreigner sphere. And foreigners are not the center of Koreans lives. We are sooooo on the periphery. You guys who are talking about them being "out to get us" are paranoid. |
NETs are not on the "periphery" of the foreigner sphere at all, because the Chinese and Southeast Asians are socially invisible and the foreign white-collar professionals/executives are so limited in number.
The vast majority of "foreigners" (read: non-Asian-looking people) in Korea are either NETs or GIs. And ALL of the anti-foreigner rhetoric in the Korean media is either about NETs (most of the time) or GIs (when they f*** up and hurt someone).
And while GIs mostly live on base, most NETs ARE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH KOREAN CHILDREN EVERY DAY. That fact in and of itself leads to paranoia about them being sexual deviants and drug users who will corrupt innocent Korean kids.
That is why "foreigners" and "NETs" are conflated, and the Korean media indulges in BOTH anti-foreign and anti-NET sensationalism. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I also want to say that focusing on how foreign journalists perceive us and not say, focusing on enabling us to teach privates for kiss my butt money all the live long day, is why these people don't appeal to me.
Label me a Fascist-Anarchist it I can teach privates for 60,000 won an hour.
And if this is our big conference, can we at least drop all the noise about Koreans and "image". |
It's different for "us" than it is for you, Steelrails, because you're a gyopo, which means the Korean journalists who slander foreigners as drug dealers, pedophiles and disease-spreaders are not talking about you. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I also want to say that focusing on how foreign journalists perceive us and not say, focusing on enabling us to teach privates for kiss my butt money all the live long day, is why these people don't appeal to me.
Label me a Fascist-Anarchist it I can teach privates for 60,000 won an hour.
And if this is our big conference, can we at least drop all the noise about Koreans and "image". |
It's different for "us" than it is for you, Steelrails, because you're a gyopo, which means the Korean journalists who slander foreigners as drug dealers, pedophiles and disease-spreaders are not talking about you. |
First they do slander gyopos as well. (FYI I am not a "gyopo". Adoptees and gyopos are distinctly different)
Second, fine, slander gyopos as disease spreading pedophiles and traitors to the race. Tack on a few extra insults if it makes you happy
Can I teach my privates for 60,000 won an hour?
Guess what? Some media agency will always be calling you a disease of society. If isn't because of your race it will be because you are an atheist or a Republican or are Pro-Choice or Pro-Life or blah blah blah.
Let me get paid.
Do you really think I give a hoot what the Korea Times thinks about me? Do I care if some AES wants to rid Korea of adoptees or gyopos or NETs? Until there is actually stuff really happening (and not silliness like news articles, or drug tests or CBCs- these were inevitable) then I won't care.
If I'm a coach of a sports team and some reporter says I'm doing a bad job, do I even care? What I would care about more is if the NFL decided to limit coaches salaries.
What's the best way for NETs to stay at the bottom rungs? Spend all your time bellyaching about drug tests violating your human rights while completely generally yawning about the stuff involving your economic rights.
Again, aren't the Koreans the ones that are supposed to be all wrapped up in 'collective image'? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| sojusucks wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| Naturally, the parents all believe it, |
Really? How do you figure? |
Where do you teach, Captain? How many parents do you deal with? |
I teach adults/parents... and they request me. If they thought foreigners were so bad, they wouldn't. In fact, they are constantly asking me to teach their kids (and I refuse).
So out of the hundreds of Korean adults I have taught, I'd say that me experiences with their perceptions run exactly opposite as those I questioned. |
Same-Same. In the past, I've heard adult students complaining about ex-teachers at my school, and frankly those teachers deserved the complaints. If you're professional, and do a good job, it's pretty likely that you'll eventually get respect.
The media stirs it up, there's no denying that. And certain segments of the population devour it. But I refuse to believe that the hundreds of adults that I've taught, who regularly attend my classes BY CHOICE, who ask me to teach their children, and who appear genuinely happy in my class, secretly hate me and think that I'm a disease-ridden junky. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think all this paranoia about western teachers here is a joke. It isn't being taken that Seriously or we would be having major grief entering the country via Custom searches and Immigration hassles
I've travelled through both Incheon and Busan International Airports at least 5 times. I have never been stopped, questioned or even searched. Nobody in fron t of me has ben either. In fact my very first time the Immigration officer said welcome to me and hoped I enjoyed my teaching.
I have been stopped and searched at Heathrow, even down to the toothpaste being squeezed and my address book checked for known addresses and when I took I ferry to Amsterdam. I was one of only 3 people taken aside and questioned and again had my baggage searched.
If we had that bad of a reputation then Customs and Immigration would be far more thorough when we entered the country |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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The evidence is massively against the conclusion that "Koreans think badly of foreigner teachers" or that "parents believe what some media says".
The sheer number of foreign teachers in Korea is one element that would indicate that the argument holds no water for example... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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The evidence is massively against the conclusion that "Koreans think badly of foreigner teachers" or that "parents believe what some media says".
The sheer number of foreign teachers in Korea is one element that would indicate that the argument holds no water for example... |
Not to mention that the increasing number of FTs here is also another element. If Koreans really believed some of the nonsense that some of the press writes they'd be calling for less teachers not letting more in. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's fair (or even remotely accurate) to compare english teachers in Korea to bin laden in America..
To be quite honest, I think you guys are blowing it way out of proportion. No one really gives a crap about english teachers in the grand scheme of national/international affairs. If you do, then I think you need to get your head out of your ass. |
Yeah, comparing us to terrorists is dumb... but I do think we're hated on a lot more than we should be. I wouldn't say that 'no one really gives a crap' either... we're not the center of attention, but I know I've gotten a lot of reactions like 'you know, you're not as bad as all the English Teachers I've heard about' or 'I don't like to judge people for what they do' (when I haven't 'done' anything)...
So yeah, a lot of these media stories do resonate and they do create prejudice, but on the other hand it's easy to ignore if you want to and you should probably just assume that the people you work with/are friends with are a lot better than that... |
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MacLean
Joined: 14 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I no longer give a damn what any Korean person thinks about me and/or my fellow English teachers. If they want to continue being clueless xenophobes then fine, but they're not going to get any respect from me. And they're not going to get any respect from anyone that I talk to Korea about back in Canada. They can rant against native teachers all they want. I don't respect Korea or Koreans enough to give a damn. In the end they're only shooting themselves in the foot, and that's perfectly fine with me. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I no longer give a damn what any Korean person thinks about me and/or my fellow English teachers. If they want to continue being clueless xenophobes then fine, but they're not going to get any respect from me. And they're not going to get any respect from anyone that I talk to Korea about back in Canada. They can rant against native teachers all they want. I don't respect Korea or Koreans enough to give a damn. In the end they're only shooting themselves in the foot, and that's perfectly fine with me. |
Respond to group judgments with group judgments. Great. |
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MacLean
Joined: 14 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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In the several years that I�ve been in Korea I�ve had to endure article after article, and television program after television program, attacking NET�s. Now, if even one person or one organization had even once spoken up in our defense I wouldn�t be quite so contemptuous of Korea. But there has not been a single word in our defence from Epik, Smoe, Gepik, hagwon associations, recruiters, politicians, churches, labour unions, movie stars, artists, intellectuals, university groups, or anyone at all. That speaks volumes. And it is because of this silence that I have lost respect for Korea. And when you don�t respect a person (or a group of persons) you don�t really give a damn what they think of you.
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| And to be fair, there ARE KOREANS that obviously do drugs and get wasted all the time. And when one person screws things up, the whole organization looks bad. Perfect example are many Koreans in Korea. It's simply the human condition to blame the organization and not the individual. |
See what I did there? |
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