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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Crazy Coteacher & Hell Spawn Textbook Reply with quote

I need some advice on how to deal with a crap for brains, whiny as hell co-teacher. I teach at a public technical high school. Since I started, there was an agreement with the school that I teach what and how I want. So I taught high frequency english words because the students came to this school without mastering the basics.

Now that's changed. The district shortened all english classes from 4 a week to 3. And I got a lot of pressure to teach the book. We worked out a compromise so I teach the book once every month. So now I have 3 classes of my 4 to teach whatever I want. On top of that, the Korean teachers agreed to prepare all the lesson material, handouts, audio cds, and games. To take me completely out of the lesson planning. I argued hard for that since they don't know what the hell they want. They're flippy floppy and complain non-stop.

However, some of the older teachers insisted that I teach the textbook every class. Fine whatever, I asked them to show me how to teach the book cause I really don't know how to. And it's just hit play, rewind and drill all class. Simple enough. To add a little more excitement (As much as you can with a completely crap textbook.) I rewrote all the dialogues to sound more "Natural". I didn't change much, the meaning of every sentence is the same, it's just shortened and rephrased. The teacher's complained again and said I must teach the book in the literal word for word form.

So I did that and now they're complaining again that the classes are too boring. That the dialogue is very "Unnatural" and I should use more games. So I told them, well as everyone agreed, if you want me to teach it. You make it, why are you coming to me?

And they're response was to keep complaining on how that's my job and my responsibility. Has anyone been in a similar situation, what did you do? I don't understand why they keep complaining. We already went over this before, they didn't like the alternatives

I tried to get my dept head and administration involved, they said because the classes are shortened they don't want to get involved.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar boat.

Technical high school, 4 majors that the kids study. One major, the students are very good, one major is terrible, and the others are in the middle (mind you, this is all relative to being a technical school).

First, my co teachers complained that I taught the same thing to both grades. I pointed out that both grades were about equal in ability.

Then they complained that my lessons were too boring and the kids weren't having fun. We were going to have a meeting to talk about it. Of course, the meeting never came and I was told to prepare all my work for the new semester. I asked "how/why should I write new lessons if all my lessons are boring and bad?" OH, NO, you're lessons are great! Rolling Eyes

Now, I have all new co teachers, save 1, and I'm doing my old lessons with the new first year students. They all tell me the lessons are great, the kids are enjoying them, everyone is happy, INCLUDING the one who is still here.

Long story short, calm down. Do your thing. If you recognize when you have a crap lesson and a good lesson, and you KNOW you are doing a decent job, then just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:


Long story short, calm down. Do your thing. If you recognize when you have a crap lesson and a good lesson, and you KNOW you are doing a decent job, then just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead.


Well I know these textbook lessons are 100% bs. It has nothing to do with the kids. Teaching to the book is only about their ego, nothing else. But its what they want, just their constant whining is what annoys me. I'm doing exactly what they told me to and they find a way to complain about it.

Yup nothing else to do, smile with glazed over eyes, nod and ignore everything they said.
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thegadfly



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winterfall,

OK, maybe I am missing something here, but now that they want you to make your classes more "interesting," couldn't you just back up and start doing again the things that you were doing prior to their interference?

You did the right thing by trying to follow their preferences, and now that they realize they were wrong about how to do things, I would suggest you just go back to doing things the way you were previously, and do NOT keep asking them what to do. Just do what you thought worked before, to whatever degree they will let you.

Personally, I would expect that you will be "allowed" to bring things back to your previous agreement, bit by bit. Just go back to doing what you thought worked, but do it over the course of a few weeks.

This kind of thing happens everywhere (happened to me more often in the US, for example -- I refused to "teach the test," and instead taught skills and abilities that helped my students to think...which has the result of increasing test scores, which is what administration worries about -- but because I didn't teach the test, I was called in for "conferences" on several occasions).

It is usually because someone up the chain got involved who wasn't involved or hadn't noticed what you were doing before...and that person has no real knowledge of your duties, goals, or approach, but DOES have knowledge of the "rules." That person makes noises to bring you "back in line with the school's expectations," and you get the kind of "guidance" you were given. When they "discover" that it doesn't work, and things are getting worse, they try to wash their hands of their own meddling, pushing it back onto you...so you just go back to what worked, and folks will leave you alone again....

It is bothersome when it happens, but assuming that what you were doing DID work, it is nothing more than an annoyance. Go back to business as you had made usual, and this will die down soon....
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't go back to the way things were. The textbook has been a constant complaint since I started and it was justified only because the students had English classes 4x a week. That's what all the higher ups agreed on. Since English Teachers taught 3, I taught 1. In effect it was 2 different sets of a curriculum.

Now that it's 3 a week, English teachers have 2 and I have 1. The argument doesn't work anymore. My classes are now combined with theirs so the curriculum for a speaking grade comes from the textbook. Most of the teachers were willing to compromise to let me only spend 1 class a month on the textbook with the rest on whatever I want (That's the high frequency words). The compromising teachers are the ones who feel that the textbook is not the holy grail.

But some of the older teachers, 2 of em. Rejected that and said it must be the textbook for every class. These are the fanatics, the textbook is the one and only source of knowledge.

I don't regularly ask the 2 old teachers what I should teach. Just that one time to show me what they expect. Because they're worthless and cna't do anything themselves (As per the agreement, they're supposed to prepare everything and just give it to me to teach). After that I did things by their example with some supplements until they complained and I adjusted it. Now I've realized they're just whiny bastards and will complain no matter. As long as I teach the textbook to the letter. I won't be held responsible.

I forgot to mention, no liability was part of the compromise. Because I'm not planning or at least shouldn't be planning the textbook lessons. All the complaints and responsibility is completely on the English teachers. Everyone agreed on this: teachers, dept head, vp, and principal.

As far as I can tell, this is a purely English department discussion. The higher ups are laisse-faire, as long as there's no abuse or complaints. They stay out of it.

But your right, its not much different from back home Sad
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jonpurdy



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
Do your thing.


Excellent advice. Do what helps the students learn. If the textbook doesn't work but you must teach it, start the lesson with your own warmup, introduce the key sentences and vocab from the textbook, then use your own activities to teach what the textbook requires to be taught.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonpurdy wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
Do your thing.


Excellent advice. Do what helps the students learn. If the textbook doesn't work but you must teach it, start the lesson with your own warmup, introduce the key sentences and vocab from the textbook, then use your own activities to teach what the textbook requires to be taught.


Can't its a tech school. High school textbook, Pre-school English. They can't write their own names or count past 10. That's why I think the textbook is the son of the devil.


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RedKristin



Joined: 27 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonpurdy wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
Do your thing.


Excellent advice. Do what helps the students learn. If the textbook doesn't work but you must teach it, start the lesson with your own warmup, introduce the key sentences and vocab from the textbook, then use your own activities to teach what the textbook requires to be taught.


This seems to be easier on the students since the basic level ones who don't care can still pass the tests and the more advanced kids can learn more practical language skills.
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedKristin wrote:
jonpurdy wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
Do your thing.


Excellent advice. Do what helps the students learn. If the textbook doesn't work but you must teach it, start the lesson with your own warmup, introduce the key sentences and vocab from the textbook, then use your own activities to teach what the textbook requires to be taught.


This seems to be easier on the students since the basic level ones who don't care can still pass the tests and the more advanced kids can learn more practical language skills.


No one's really advanced at a tech school. Like Nathan said, there's no difference between a 1st year, 2nd year, and a senior. Actually seniors are usually worse than the 1st years. There's no difference between a tech kid and a kindergartner. To be honest, I'm not sure there are any activities you can use if the content is restricted literally word for word from the textbook and you take into account their level. I tried using themes before, it was shot down. And as I mentioned even rewritten sentences with the same meaning was sacrilege.

To reinforce how low they are. I taught the most advanced students last year: possessive pronouns, hundreds and thousands, Prepositions of place, the continuous form, irregular verbs, etc. The text book touches some of this stuff but the book itself assumes you already know it and whatever it gives you is supposed to be review more than anything else.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for you. Crying or Very sad

My situation is similar to yours, my school is a gifted elementary school. Most students could do the book in a day. I see the text and it looks as though it was written for first graders (although I teach sixth).

I tried to do things my way, but my HT wouldn't hear of it. She insists that we use ALL materials, ALL dialogues, ALL pages. We are preparing them "for the test"

What test? I wonder. YOU write the test that we give here. YOU make it so they all pass. Who cares if I'm teaching the book or not? "but parents will complain" -or- "the principal will get angry" Whatever. I may as well talk to the zoo about capturing a winged unicorn- I'd find greater success.

But you will bang your head on a brick wall if you try to go against them. You tried it, they denied it. You know they are wrong but they won't admit you are right. No win.

As nate said, keep following. Don't renew. Its not worth the headache you will endure to fighting. Good luck!
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to get your school to agree to use the textbook" Tell Me More" by Andrew Finch. It's made for Korean students. Many of the worksheets have hangul on them. This will be a hard sell. Go onto the Finchpark website and force your co-teacher to listen to what he says. Change the seating plan so the students are in groups. Start with one way or static tasks, These are things like brainstorms and wordfinds Then eventually work your way to dynamic two way tasks. This consists of class surveys and informations gaps and short dialogues and substitution activities. At first it will be really frustrating but get the co-teacher to translate the instructions so the students know what to do. You should have a buzz of activity. You won't get all the students involved.

If the school still insists on using the book. Use it in a more comunicative way. Take a page from the long reading section and do a dictation running activity. The students will love it and you'll baffle your co-teacher into submisson. Paste a page at the front of the classroom have students compete to re-write it without refering to the text.
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
Try to get your school to agree to use the textbook" Tell Me More" by Andrew Finch. It's made for Korean students. Many of the worksheets have hangul on them. This will be a hard sell. Go onto the Finchpark website and force your co-teacher to listen to what he says. Change the seating plan so the students are in groups. Start with one way or static tasks, These are things like brainstorms and wordfinds Then eventually work your way to dynamic two way tasks. This consists of class surveys and informations gaps and short dialogues and substitution activities. At first it will be really frustrating but get the co-teacher to translate the instructions so the students know what to do. You should have a buzz of activity. You won't get all the students involved.

If the school still insists on using the book. Use it in a more comunicative way. Take a page from the long reading section and do a dictation running activity. The students will love it and you'll baffle your co-teacher into submisson. Paste a page at the front of the classroom have students compete to re-write it without refering to the text.


Can't the textbook is exclusively the English textbook chosen by the school, trust me I've tried every alternative. Every possible compromise, they won't budge. I've tried to use the reading section before, teachers complained. That's "My Part" yours is the speaking part. Which is 2 pages per unit and at least half of it is pictures.

ThingsComeAround got it down perfecting. EVERYTHING must come from the text. Really not much to work with. If this was not a technical school, the activities you suggested would work. They can't do any of those things, believe me I've tried. The only way I taught them before was to drill vocabulary words around hands on activities with a very, very, very structured task based approach.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
Fishead soup wrote:
Try to get your school to agree to use the textbook" Tell Me More" by Andrew Finch. It's made for Korean students. Many of the worksheets have hangul on them. This will be a hard sell. Go onto the Finchpark website and force your co-teacher to listen to what he says. Change the seating plan so the students are in groups. Start with one way or static tasks, These are things like brainstorms and wordfinds Then eventually work your way to dynamic two way tasks. This consists of class surveys and informations gaps and short dialogues and substitution activities. At first it will be really frustrating but get the co-teacher to translate the instructions so the students know what to do. You should have a buzz of activity. You won't get all the students involved.

If the school still insists on using the book. Use it in a more comunicative way. Take a page from the long reading section and do a dictation running activity. The students will love it and you'll baffle your co-teacher into submisson. Paste a page at the front of the classroom have students compete to re-write it without refering to the text.


Can't the textbook is exclusively the English textbook chosen by the school, trust me I've tried every alternative. Every possible compromise, they won't budge. I've tried to use the reading section before, teachers complained. That's "My Part" yours is the speaking part. Which is 2 pages per unit and at least half of it is pictures.

ThingsComeAround got it down perfecting. EVERYTHING must come from the text. Really not much to work with. If this was not a technical school, the activities you suggested would work. They can't do any of those things, believe me I've tried. The only way I taught them before was to drill vocabulary words around hands on activities with a very, very, very structured task based approach.


I had the same problem just go into class and paste the one of th pages on the board. Give each student a blank copy have them take turns running to front reading and copying. Get your co-teacher to translate how to do it in Korean. Or better yet get the instructions written in hangul on the paper. I've done this with first grade middle school students they love it. It's very active. Your students have a lot of hidden abilities you need to tap into. The co-teacher and a crappy textbook is standing in the way.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes they actually understand more than you think they do, they just don't have the confidence to speak.

If it's pictures, you can always do a 'picture speculation', where you just ask a bunch of dumb questions about what the students think is happening in the pictures. Of course, if they're super-low you probably won't get too far-- just give them questions where they have to fill in about one word.

I'm not sure what sort of pictures they are, but maybe you could put them in groups and then get them to talk about the pictures together, or even make up a story about them (in Korean) and then tell you. Give them some action words or useful vocab beforehand... maybe print up sheets that basically spoonfeed them all the vocab they need (something like 'use these words to make a story', and then all that they have to do is string them together in some sort of order... and maybe fill in a few gaps. Then you can talk about the stories that they came up with.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Sometimes they actually understand more than you think they do, they just don't have the confidence to speak.

If it's pictures, you can always do a 'picture speculation', where you just ask a bunch of dumb questions about what the students think is happening in the pictures. Of course, if they're super-low you probably won't get too far-- just give them questions where they have to fill in about one word.

I'm not sure what sort of pictures they are, but maybe you could put them in groups and then get them to talk about the pictures together, or even make up a story about them (in Korean) and then tell you. Give them some action words or useful vocab beforehand... maybe print up sheets that basically spoonfeed them all the vocab they need (something like 'use these words to make a story', and then all that they have to do is string them together in some sort of order... and maybe fill in a few gaps. Then you can talk about the stories that they came up with.


Better yet go into youtube and punch in" What happens next?" There's a whole series of funny video's used my ESL/EFL teachers. Some of them give you a multiple choice three options. Some just have the students predict. I find the ones with the three options work better with low level students. Just put the video on pause. Try to get them to choose one option. first they'll just shout the letter A BC D .Then tell them to read the actual answer. this only takes five minutes so you can easily do this at the begining of the class and go back to parroting the textbooks and making your school/co-teachers happy.
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