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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:39 am Post subject: Plain old lies .... |
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I teach uni, and I see each class just once a week. Every time I see them I ask, "So how was your week, did you do anything interesting?" No response. So then I say "Well, if someone doesn't volunteer I'm going to pick someone to tell me ALL about thier weekend" No response. Then I pick someone "What did you do on the weekend" ... answer "Study"
Bullsh*t ... I've come to the conclusion that they just make the simplest answer to get me off their back.
When pushed, they went out on Friday night and got hammered, Saturday they played pc games all day, Sat night they had a "meeting" or blind date, but it didn't go well cause "She had no manners", Sunday went to church "Was, it exciting?" "Yes!" ( bullsh*t, you just want me to stop talking to you and you think that saying yes is what I want to hear and will end the exchange quicker, because if you say no you have to explain why ) Sunday night, watched a movie ...
Sinse when was going to church exciting? Do they even know what I'm saying when I move my mouth and sounds come out of it? Are they even thinking at all, is the brain connected to the mouth?
I give up ... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Hey kiwi get off my back you know I hate English and have to be here and can't speak it and feel embarrassed whenever you ask me a question and i'm korean and afraid to make mistakes and lose face or else if I can speak English well but don't want to show up my classmates who are poor at English....
methinks you cant win kiwi... by the way, are your sleeep habits as bad as mine? |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't you ever study a foreign language in school? I did the same things when I studied French- largely cause I hated both the language and the teacher. (Had the same one throughout high school)
My students try to do the same thing , and I call them on it. I say that if they want to be lazy it's their right, but ther must be more interesting ways to waste money. |
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Crois

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: You could be next so watch out.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hey my Middle and Younger kids say the same. Does this mean they are also getting drunk? Damn they are good kids!!!
HEEHEE |
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katydid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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What really bugs me here is the "just say yes" mentality here. They would rather not say they don't understand something than admit they don't. I don't know whether it's pure laziness or a feeling of deference to the teacher or what, but that one thing drives me up the wall. |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: SYD
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Katy, to quote a great man, "A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B".. :)
HEHEHE
jae. |
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like the students are just lazy and don't want to take the time to respond. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Girls often speak more than guys in my classes. Sexiest girls speak the most. Interesting dynamic... |
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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Plain old lies .... |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I teach uni, and I see each class just once a week. Every time I see them I ask, "So how was your week, did you do anything interesting?" No response. So then I say "Well, if someone doesn't volunteer I'm going to pick someone to tell me ALL about thier weekend" No response. Then I pick someone "What did you do on the weekend" ... answer "Study"
Bullsh*t ... I've come to the conclusion that they just make the simplest answer to get me off their back.
When pushed, they went out on Friday night and got hammered, Saturday they played pc games all day, Sat night they had a "meeting" or blind date, but it didn't go well cause "She had no manners", Sunday went to church "Was, it exciting?" "Yes!" ( bullsh*t, you just want me to stop talking to you and you think that saying yes is what I want to hear and will end the exchange quicker, because if you say no you have to explain why ) Sunday night, watched a movie ...
Sinse when was going to church exciting? Do they even know what I'm saying when I move my mouth and sounds come out of it? Are they even thinking at all, is the brain connected to the mouth?
I give up ... |
But you know how Koreans are brain washed into thinking church and religion are a necessity in their lives. So, of course they say it fun. They will be struck down if they say otherwise. |
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the saint

Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Plain old lies .... |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Sunday went to church "Was, it exciting?" "Yes!" ( bullsh*t, |
Man, you need to gets you some chuuuuuuurch boy !! |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:13 am Post subject: |
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What's wrong with church?!? Sure it ain't as fun as soju, yangju, and mekju, but it ain't all that bad. |
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sid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Berkshire, England
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:06 am Post subject: |
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"Also what of students from countries where talking about oneself is perhaps alien in the mother tongue, let alone in English? The current coursebook "ping-pong" from reading a newspaper or magazine text, or listening to a radio programme extract, to "now talk about yourself" must be quite culturally uncomfortable for such learners to cope with."
The original article (not particularly relevant to this thread,except for the above paragraph)
http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,5500,1170580,00.html
It's obvious that the typical textbook agenda of 'what are your hobbies?' 'what did you do last summer?' doesn't often sit very well with Korean students; question is do you force them into doing it (cos that's what we talk about in 'English') or do you try and find a more Korean-friendly 'English' instead? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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sid wrote: |
"Also what of students from countries where talking about oneself is perhaps alien in the mother tongue, let alone in English? The current coursebook "ping-pong" from reading a newspaper or magazine text, or listening to a radio programme extract, to "now talk about yourself" must be quite culturally uncomfortable for such learners to cope with."
The original article (not particularly relevant to this thread,except for the above paragraph)
http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,5500,1170580,00.html
It's obvious that the typical textbook agenda of 'what are your hobbies?' 'what did you do last summer?' doesn't often sit very well with Korean students; question is do you force them into doing it (cos that's what we talk about in 'English') or do you try and find a more Korean-friendly 'English' instead? |
Nothing sits well with Korean students. Korean culture and sensibilities were designed to disable them from learning another language... seriously, they're tough nuts to crack, and almost everything you try with them in the classroom is offensive in some way. In the end, you just stick to talking about the weather..... |
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Eazy_E

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Try asking them to talk about something specific, the more controversial the better. The Japanese occupation, military service, selective abortions, etc. I don't have adult students but those are the first things I would try. I like to see people get all het up. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:34 am Post subject: |
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"Also what of students from countries where talking about oneself is perhaps alien in the mother tongue, let alone in English? The current coursebook "ping-pong" from reading a newspaper or magazine text, or listening to a radio programme extract, to "now talk about yourself" must be quite culturally uncomfortable for such learners to cope with."
The original article (not particularly relevant to this thread,except for the above paragraph)
http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,5500,1170580,00.html
It's obvious that the typical textbook agenda of 'what are your hobbies?' 'what did you do last summer?' doesn't often sit very well with Korean students; question is do you force them into doing it (cos that's what we talk about in 'English') or do you try and find a more Korean-friendly 'English' instead? |
That article had a major agenda, the guy just likes literature and would like to see it brought back into esl. I dissagree completely. When a student can't even understand "What did you do on the weekend?" when you say it at natural speed, they are not ready for literature. Further, literature is quite removed from communicative spoken language, and would be quite confusing if encountered before students have a firm grasp of the basics.
Regarding the cultural reaction against talking about yourself, that does not apply to Korea. I have pretty passable Korean these days, and let me tell you, all they do is talk about themselves. What they have an aversion to is talking English to a foreigner, especially in front of their friends. My problem is not interesting topics to get them talking, I have plenty of those. Talking about the weekend will always be an esl staple because it's real and immediate, and it works the past tense, one of the basic building blocks. What is lacking is initiative to offer more info, instead of just answering the basic minimum to get the questioner off your back. The topic is irrelevant, they would be taking the same approach if we were talking about Star Craft or kimchi. It's hard to teach the pragmatics of verbal communication when their desired outcome is to end the exchange as soon as possible. |
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