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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: Transitioning to a Mac |
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Ok, I know. There are a good portion of you that hate Apple.
I know.
Apple is evil.
Apple is the Empire.
Apple doesn't play some program you love.
Well, I for one am thinking of joining with the dark overlord... and want to hear from others who have.
When making the switch from PC to Mac, what were the biggest issues you encountered? |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Having less money. |
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tatertot

Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: |
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It was a while ago for me, so I can't remember everything. However, I can remember two really small, but not insignificant annoyances.
1) Only being able to resize from the lower-right corner instead of any corner.
2) Having the menu always at the top of the screen instead of at the top of the window.
However, I am now used to these things and I actually like having the menu at the top of the screen. The resizing windows thing is still a hassle though. |
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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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From what I've learned from the other thread, there apparently are no issues. It's so easy that grandma's who struggle with PCs know how to use it instantly. |
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vincentmiser
Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Location: Everywhere
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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My friend just bitched on FB about having to replace the MAIN BOARD of her Mac Pro for $900.
?!?!?!?!?!
No thanks. I don't need some 20 year old to do it for me and then still proceed to rip me off.
PC thanks |
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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Using CMD + Delete instead if just Delete? I use Windows at work and mostly Mac at home so the keyboard shortcuts require conscious thinking at times.
I don't use HWP on my Mac due to conversion headaches. Along with Korean websites, I keep HWP an exclusively Windows PITA. Maybe you'll miss Internet Explorer?
Flash sometimes doesn't work or gives the browser (mostly Safari) a hard time.
My experience with Apple build quality and customer service in several countries makes it worthwhile for me. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Some programs that with which you're familiar will have entirely new layouts (word, excel, etc...) |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I can see almost no difference in the layout of Office 2011 for Mac and Office 2010 for Windows. Everything is in basically the same place, or close enough that you can figure it out. I heard that the Mac Business Unit at MS worked very hard to match everything up to the 2010 version, to make it easier to transition between platforms.
I have found the same to be true with Adobe CS5. The Mac and Windows versions seem to have things located in the same place, so the user doesn't have to dig around too much to find things when switching platforms.
The thing I have always found best about the Mac system is the community of 3rd party developers. This is something really lacking on the Windows side. You will find a lot of very high quality, reasonably priced applications from 3rd party developers on the Mac side. On Windows, you are stuck with the programs from the large developers. There are very few "good" 3rd party developers on the Windows side... some, but not many. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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One thing to consider is the cost of upgrades and repairs. If my PC encounters some kind of hardware failure or I simply want more RAM or a better GPU, it won't cost nearly as much as it would on a Mac.
There are some programs on either platform that don't have an equally good counterpart. For watching movies on windows, I use the KM Player. I haven't found a Mac alternative that offers as many features. Also, Media Monkey Gold is a far better music management program than anything available for Mac, IMO.
On the other hand, some Mac programs are a pleasure to use. Garageband is simple yet loads of fun, and I find Photoshop easier to use on Mac for some reason. Also, if you are geeky enough, it's possible to run some linux programs on OS X. |
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god of English
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Transitioning to a Mac |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
When making the switch from PC to Mac, what were the biggest issues you encountered? |
In Korea, internet banking. Install VirtualBox and Windows... problem solved. With all the crapware that Korean websites install, Windows should be quarantined anyway.
Less software overall but as other people have alluded to, the options available tend to be more consistent and higher quality. There are some really great independent and boutique developers that develop exclusively for the mac. Panic and OmniGroup come to mind. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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The above advice is true to an extent, but only applies to desktops. I have yet to see a Windows laptop that can have the GPU easily or cheaply upgraded. RAM is the same on all computers. Whatever it costs to upgrade the RAM on a PC is the same as it will cost to upgrade on a Mac. RAM is RAM.
When I buy a Mac, I always get a refurbished on, which saves about 25% off the normal price, and I also get the 3-year Apple Care. I tend to keep the computer for 2.5 years and then sell it. This way, I don't ever have to pay for repairs, and when I sell it, I get a bit of a premium because the computer still has 6 months of warranty. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Transitioning to a Mac |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
Ok, I know. There are a good portion of you that hate Apple.
I know.
Apple is evil.
Apple is the Empire.
Apple doesn't play some program you love.
Well, I for one am thinking of joining with the dark overlord... and want to hear from others who have.
When making the switch from PC to Mac, what were the biggest issues you encountered? |
Honestly you're not gonna miss anything from Windows.
Windows 7 is a fine operating system but OS X is much better... almost no risk for viruses, etc.
Most of our daily computer use is cloud-based + web-based so browser quality/choice is the biggest issue.
Let us know what other programs you use most on Windows and we'll tell you the Mac equivalents. Many programs are available on both OSes anyway. |
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zhanknight
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Location: Yangsan
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Chokse wrote: |
The thing I have always found best about the Mac system is the community of 3rd party developers. This is something really lacking on the Windows side. You will find a lot of very high quality, reasonably priced applications from 3rd party developers on the Mac side. On Windows, you are stuck with the programs from the large developers. There are very few "good" 3rd party developers on the Windows side... some, but not many. |
Are you kidding?! Are you just blinded by that shiny walled garden 'app store' crap? There is absolutely no lack of 3rd party development for Windows coming from organizations of any size, small or giant, paid or free. Most of the applications I use for video editing, photo editing and the like are from small, high quality developers.
Talk about build quality and customer service all you want, those things ARE awesome from Apple..but a more robust set of 3rd party stuff they most certainly do NOT have, and won't ever unless they surpass Windows as the (by far) worlds most ubiquitous computing platform.
OP: You'll probably dig it. Unless you do very specific work which requires software that doesn't work on Mac's OS then it's basically like moving into a new apartment. Your stuff is just in a different place and sometimes you have to search for the light switch before you get used to it.
Also, gaming performance isn't amazing - but you can just dual boot into Windows if that's your thing. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I am not blinded by anything, but it would seem that you are actually BLIND, or perhaps illiterate... not sure which is worse if you are an ESL teacher.
If you go back and CAREFULLY read what I wrote, you will see that I never said there were no 3rd party software titles for Windows. I never said they were non-existant.
The point I made about "good" 3rd party titles on the PC side stands. They are lacking and there's a reason I put good in parentheses. There are heaps of 3rd party titles for Windows, but the majority are not very good. There are SOME good ones (read the end of my original post about this), but they are the minority rather than the majority. This is what I use to define the term "lacking".
For example, if I want a good batch processor for Windows, I can probably find 100 3rd party programs that will do this. However, they all seem to do exactly the same thing, none seem to stand out from the others, and in many cases, it is not clear how often the developer updates the software. On the Mac side, there are a couple of very well known (to Mac users) programs that simply outshine all the others, are updated often, and are reasonably priced. The same is true for video converters, photo editing software, etc. Hell, try finding an equal replacement for 1Password on Windows.
I have used Macs and PCs and have simply found it easier to find "good" 3rd party software on the Mac side than the Windows side. There is some good stuff out there for Windows, but there's a lot more crap software being offered by 3rd party developers.
I'm not slamming Windows here. I'm slamming a lot of the 3rd party developers, and a lot of my friends with PCs feel the same way. They're tired of the software from the big corporations, but they are not very impressed by a lot of the stuff coming from the 3rd party developers.
Finally, learn to read. It will change your life. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think the only major issue will be the availability of software, though you can run most of what's not available by using bootcamp. For the vast majority of people out there though, this isnt a problem. It's the gamers and technerds who feel limited.
I go from using a PC at work to using a Mac at home. The only major things I'm annoyed by are:
1. Having to load Bootcamp/Parallels/etc. so I can use IE to do some sort of secure transaction on a Korean website.
2. using Ctrl+___ instead of Apple+____. For some reason this annoys me to no end.
This is all from going from a PC to Mac standpoint. Where it the otherway, I would have a bit more to gripe about.  |
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