Korean Job Discussion Forums :: View topic

Speak Korean Now!

Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!

Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"

FAQ

Memberlist

Usergroups

Profile

Asians in the Library
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11, 12 Next

Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author

Message

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject:

travel zen wrote:

Quote:

It was great because some of our white/black friends would get props from their parents "Oh look he's going to study at the library with those hard-working Asian kids. Good for him. Of course you can be out past midnight dear."

OMG! Pass the vomit bucket please.

You and mises and radius (are you the same people ?) and your unrelenting hatred for 'black' people. So pathetic.

Are 'yellows' like 'whites' ? Are 'blacks' like ..what are latinos? 'browns'?

American stereotypes makes me barf !!! Turn off the tv once in a while and let your brain air out. Oh nooo....BARF!!!

Uhhhh I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say....

The point was us Asian High School kids were doing anything but studying at the library- we were causing all kinds of mischief, its just that the library provided cover for our hijinks and our black and white friends used both location and ethnicity of friends to play on their parent's stereotypes to join us in our hijinks....

Between the the video games on the PCs, the booze, the killing 10 pizzas and creating a bit of a mess while having the munchies, and the study rooms turned love motel rooms, we were anything but a model minority.

methdxman

Joined: 14 Sep 2010

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject:

Radius wrote:

methdxman wrote:

brickabrack wrote:

So, you're speaking for 'latinos' and 'blacks'? By the way, they don't like being called that. Wait, I shouldn't speak for everyone. I was a minority for over a dozen years in several urban cities in the U.S. I guess I understand the similar experiences others have had..hmmm, nope. For the record, I have faced discrimination in my own country on multiple occasions. Yet, I have no idea what others face.

Black people are black and latinos are latinos, I don't even know what you're talking about.

You're right, you have no idea what others face because you still belong to the majority.

I hear this from every South African I meet that they know what it feels like to be a minority, etc. but who cares, white people still have all the money and power there.

Again, I'm sorry that you couldn't be born a minority so you could relate to other minorities.

There are just too many people on this board who just say certain things are possible because they can't personally relate to it. Like when people claim that they can tell Asians apart from each other there are white people on this board who go crazy on here claiming that it's impossible.

Just shaddap already.

Dude would you just shut up already because your starting to sound like a whiney little _____. Minorities got it GOOD in the States IF they take advantage of the opportunities they are given and don't fall prey to the rap game/psuedo-gangsta, drug dealing life.

I wasn't born a minority but I am one now in Korea. And I think I am treated worse here than minorities are in America. White people love a minority success story. We love to see a inner city kid go to college and make something of him/herself. Quit acting like its the red-headed step child who has no chance in life against the cannibal-eating White man. Pull your boot straps up like the rest of us and make something of your damn life and quit bitching about the Whitey keeping you and other Asians down. We can care less about you. We don't bother you. And you have the same opportunities the White man has. You have a degree obviously since you're teaching in Korea, better watch out I dont snatch it out of your back pocket and give it to my white child. Right?!!! Right.
You sound like you have an inferiority complex, and I strongly urge you to get over it to enjoy your life a little bit more.

First of all, your reading comprehension is at a 3rd grade level at best. I hope you are not teaching for a living.

Secondly, the reason why you're here is because of positive discrimination. Not because of anything that you did or accomplished in life. Getting a college degree is not really an accomplishment.

And no, minorities in general do not have the same opportunities as the White man in America. Nobody does. It doesn't mean you should blame the white man for not getting to where you want to go, that's basically all on you. But systematic racism prevents certain groups from having the same opportunities. As a white person you don't think "hey I'm going to give this job to the white guy vs. the black guy, because I like white people better." Very few people think that way.

But that's not even the point. And that's where you are missing the point, because, again, I don't know how far your brain can go.

But honestly I don't really care because I understand why it's like that. In other countries it's a bit difference and there's more parity. But America is still the white man's world.

For the record, Asians in the U.S. are doing just fine and in general have the same opportunities as anyone else. I can't say the same for LA RAAAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAA or black people.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject:

travel zen wrote:

Quote:

What I think is interesting is that you say to turn off the tv once in a while, but modern American television consists primarily of programs which reinforce the very ideas you're posting here. If anything you should be encouraging people like mises or Steelrails to watch more tv, as the material therein generally matches your world view.

No.

I dont see a difference in the crap they had 20 years ago, and the poop they shovel now.

That's because you don't actually paying attention to the world around you. The media -- both entertainment and informative -- goes so far out of its way to paint minorities in a rosy, "equal" light that one would have to be willfully ignorant to not notice it. Given your history of willful ignorance on this forum, I've no doubt it's a practice you include in your daily affairs as well. Hell, you've gone into angry rants here because people have cited statistical data. Not provided reasoned arguments as to why those statistics are inapplicable, mind you. Just angry outbursts.

You should be less sensitive and more rational. At least kabrams occasionally said something rational or argued a case when she was on her little "Western whites who let data inform their worldview are evil racists," crusade. You just throw tantrums. Try a different approach.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject:

methdxman wrote:

Secondly, the reason why you're here is because of positive discrimination. Not because of anything that you did or accomplished in life. Getting a college degree is not really an accomplishment.

And yet only around 30% of adults achieve it, with many people failing out or dropping out of college in the process. Painting something that around 70% of people cannot achieve as a "non-achievement" seems pretty dubious to me. Then again, trying to prove something ridiculous naturally requires questionable arguments based on dubious premises, so perhaps it's to be expected.

methdxman wrote:

And no, minorities in general do not have the same opportunities as the White man in America. Nobody does.

...

For the record, Asians in the U.S. are doing just fine and in general have the same opportunities as anyone else.

Incoherent nonsense.

West Coast Tatterdemalion

Joined: 31 Aug 2010

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject:

Everytime I see the topic, "Asians in the Library" I think of that Pants on the Ground jingle.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject:

methdxman wrote:

First of all, your reading comprehension is at a 3rd grade level at best. I hope you are not teaching for a living.

methdxman wrote:

And no, minorities in general do not have the same opportunities as the White man in America. Nobody does.

methdxman wrote:

But honestly I don't really care because I understand why it's like that. In other countries it's a bit difference and there's more parity. But America is still the white man's world.

methdxman wrote:

For the record, Asians in the U.S. are doing just fine and in general have the same opportunities as anyone else.

1. Don't insult others if you can't write coherently.

2. Contradict much?

Koreadays

Joined: 20 May 2008

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject:

and this girl got into UCLA? guess they are letting anyone is these days... tough economy I guess.

Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject:

Koreadays wrote:

and this girl got into UCLA? guess they are letting anyone is these days...
tough economy I guess.

She also could have gone the community college route.

I LOVE Community.

Triban

Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject:

FOX LONG TIME NO SEE!

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:53 am Post subject:

I'm waiting for Asians to gather at UCLA and sing We Shall Oveerrrr Commmeeeee

Here is Jared Taylor's advice for the girl:

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/110322_open_letter.htm

Quote:

Dear Miss Wallace,

Welcome to fame you never wanted.

By my count, since you posted your YouTube video about Asians at UCLA on March 11�10 days ago�some six million people have watched it. You took it down two days later, but it went viral anyway. There are now scores of "replies" and "parodies" on YouTube, most of them vile, many of them obscene.

National newspapers have held you up to ridicule, and UCLA�s vice chancellor for student affairs Janina Montero [Email her] says she is "appalled and offended." After a week of enduring what you say were "the harassment of my family, the publishing of my personal information, death threats and being ostracized from an entire community," you have decided to drop out of UCLA. [UCLA student who made controversial video says she'll leave school | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Time, March 18, 2011]

None of this would have happened if you had been caught stealing books from the library or cheating on an exam. It would not have happened even if you had been arrested for bank robbery or murder. In the times in which we live, what you did was far worse. You were "insensitive."

What exactly did you do? You said "hordes" of Asians attend UCLA. In fact, there are more Asian than white undergraduates�37 percent vs. 32 percent�so whites are a minority. They don�t call it "UCL Asian" for nothing. You said the number of Asians was "fine" with you but that if they were going to come to UCLA they should learn American manners. Specifically you said they should not use cell phones in the library, and you imitated how they talk. You also said that the families of Asian students come to cook and clean for them, so that Asian students never learn to "fend for themselves." Tasteless, perhaps, but hardly shocking.

I�m sure you feel you are being punished terribly for a trivial mistake�for something that might not even be a mistake at all. I�m sure you are bewildered and frightened, and I suspect no one in your circle can explain what is happening.

Let me try. Perhaps it is beginning to dawn on you that your sin was not what you said but who you are.

If you were black or Hispanic and made a mocking video about Asians no one would care. The Asians and others who have made video "replies" address you as "bitch" and say awful things about your appearance and imagined sex habits, but no one has criticized them. Many of them seem to be students. Is the administration "appalled and offended"? Have they received death threats? No.

In 2005, Kamau Kambon, a black man who taught Africana studies at North Carolina State University said on C-SPAN that all whites should be exterminated. It caused hardly a ripple. Just last year, Professor Kent Wong of your very own UCLA urged non-whites to "become lawyers, and teachers, and doctors and members of the U.S. Senate [and] replace those old white men." Was Vice Chancellor Montero "appalled." No. But she is appalled at you. Why?

Maybe Pearl Cleage [Email her] can help you understand. She is a black poet and playwright, just the sort of person you might have had to read in high-school English. This is what she says about race:

"In discussions of race between black people and white people the conscious black person is always right; is always the ultimate authority on questions having to do with race and racism; must always be regarded as the �injured party,� or the oppressed. . . . [Whites] cannot possibly be expected to be objective about questions of race." [Pearl Cleage, Deals With the Devil and Other Reasons to Riot (New York, Ballantine Books, 1993), p. 322.]

That, italics and all, sums it up, and what Miss Cleage says about blacks applies to all non-whites. They are your moral superiors, and you must defer to them on the subject of race. In fact, it�s safer to defer to them on other things, too. You never know when disagreeing with a Hispanic could be "racism." Non-whites, on the other hand, don�t have to be "sensitive." They can mock you, insult you, imitate your accent, insist that you learn their manners, but you, Miss Wallace, are different. You must never do these things.

And you must never, never, never notice that whites are outnumbered at UCLA. Next you might notice that whites are being outnumbered in the whole country�outnumbered by people whom your very own Professor Wong [Email him] is urging to "replace those old white men." You are not an old white man; you are a young white woman. Judging from the obscene "replies" on YouTube, the people who are replacing the old white men have different plans for you.

None of this is fair, Miss Wallace. Just three minutes of what you thought was harmless video have changed your life. And what have you learned? The lesson Vice Chancellor Montero wants you to learn is the same one Pearl Cleage wants you to learn: that you are always wrong, always the oppressor. She wants you to apologize, hang your head, and be guilty all your life.

I hope you learn different lessons. They are difficult lessons that will destroy your illusions, but the sooner you learn them the stronger you will be. You have already learned that when populations change, culture and behavior changes. I hope you will learn that as a white woman, as someone descended from the stock who built this country and established its institutions, you have the right to notice and care. If newcomers are changing this country in ways you don�t like, you have the right to say so. You have the right to want your country to remain part of the West rather than become a chaotic mix of conflicting peoples and cultures.

I hope you learn that double standards about "sensitivity" are not just about tormenting one white woman and ignoring the vicious behavior of her non-white attackers. Those double standards mean that no white person may ever stand up for his own values and culture. They mean that non-whites may work for explicitly racial goals but whites may not. Ultimately, Miss Wallace, double standards that deny to whites what they permit to non-whites ensure that your people and your culture will be elbowed aside.

These are difficult and painful truths. It often takes years to grasp them. But you will understand what has happened to you only if you can see through the lies and deceptions that distort everything you have ever been told about race.

In the eyes of the people who are driving you off campus, your greatest sin, Miss Wallace, is that you are white.

That girl should not have made that video. It was rude and she should have known better. The reaction has been outrageous. She's needed police protection and has left UCLA. She's received many death threats. This is so absurd. It is completely unbalanced. Extrapolate this type of behavior ten, twenty years into the future. It's hard to imagine the future is bright w/r/t race/ethnic relations.

AmericanBornKorean

Joined: 08 Oct 2010

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:22 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

AmericanBornKorean wrote:

There have been numerous studies done that show Asians, in general, vote along with and get along better with whites than other minority groups. From my observations here, Koreans tend to look down on the Chinese, Jewish, Black, and even hispanic crowds. I do think you're over-generalizing the issue.

Maybe your family does...

I was just as surprised as you. I have heard old and younger Koreans rant about Israel. But yes, prejudice and bigotry exist against Jews, even for Koreans.

travel zen

Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject:

Quote:

You should be less sensitive and more rational. At least kabrams occasionally said something rational or argued a case when she was on her little "Western whites who let data inform their worldview are evil racists," crusade. You just throw tantrums. Try a different approach.

Are you from Vulcan ? Rational Rolling Eyes

Statistics are as phony as your Vulcan ears, my friend. Only a dupe would countenance 'statistics'. Great tyrants of the past relied on people like yourself when they 'put out' their 'facts, polls and statistics'.

How can you be objective when someone (even the benevolent government) shovel statistics at you ?

You say you are rational ????

Whatis rational about saying that blacks are inferior (yep, you said that) or that they should be sent back to wherever 'they' came from ?

Rational. Try to be my friend...or go back to Vulcan where 'you people' belong Confused

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject:

A devastating blow from travel zen. Can Fox recover?

Koveras

Joined: 09 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Asians in the Library

Quote:

'OHH Ching chong ling long ting tong? OHH'

Reminds me of my childhood when we would rib our token Asian friend, imitating his mother. "Benjiii, time foa dinnuh!" It's still pretty funny - around my office, we like to do the old "*quiet sucking noise* oooooh" thing when someone has a good idea. Childish, yeah, but that's exactly it: like all childish things it doesn't merit serious attention one way or the other. The sad thing is how seriously some people will treat this stuff nowadays. This girl just didn't get the memo.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject:

AmericanBornKorean wrote:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

AmericanBornKorean wrote:

Maybe your family does...

I was just as surprised as you. I have heard old and younger Koreans rant about Israel. But yes, prejudice and bigotry exist against Jews, even for Koreans.

It's just the opposite of what I've experienced. I'm an atheist, but don't really let that slip here. If they ask if I'm a Christian, I just say that I'm Jewish (I am culturally, after all,) and usually they ask a bunch of questions and compare the fighting that the Jewish people have had to endure to the Korean people. We overcome and all that. The young ones? Meh. I lost respect for people at around age 14 and don't gain it back until they're around 30.

Thanks for the insight, though.

Display posts from previous:

	Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11, 12 Next
Page 10 of 12

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe