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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:01 am Post subject: Girl with Peanut Allergy Causes Controversy at Florida schoo |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110322/lf_nm_life/us_peanut_allergy
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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) � Some public school parents in Edgewater, Florida, want a first-grade girl with life-threatening peanut allergies removed from the classroom and home-schooled, rather than deal with special rules to protect her health, a school official said. |
It's amazing how self-centered people can be. I mean, how hard is it to wash your hands and mouth? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't have any problem with the school making accommodations for children, and washing their hands and mouths really isn't that big of a deal. However, I still think she should not be in public school for her sake. All it takes is one kid bringing in a peanut snack to potentially put her life at risk if her allergies are that severe. Her parents are being extremely irresponsible by placing her safety in the hands of every parent and child at her school district to such an extreme degree. The state should provide some sort of credit for alternative education in such circumstances.
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I mean, how hard is it to wash your hands and mouth? |
You mean how hard is it to get every single kid exposed to her to wash their hands and mouth multiple times per day every single day for the next 12 years while simultaneously ensuring none of them bring a single peanut product to school ever? Well, it's certainly non-trivial, and her parents are fools to take the risk. |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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No fox, the welfare state does not have an endless supply of money to deal with obscure illnesses in expensive ways like you daydream over. Accommodating disabled people is expensive and not worthwhile when you could be spending that money in more productive ways like spending it on the gifted children who might actually contribute to society in a meaningful way. |
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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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The girl's parents probably don't have the time or resources to home-school. Or perhaps they feel that the social benefits of their daughter going to school outweigh the risks. It's easy to say that the girl's parents shouldn't have her in public school, but we don't know the full circumstances that led to the parents' decision.
As for the other parents who are complaining, they need to show a little empathy. Sure, it's annoying for them and their children to have to wash their hands and mouths all the time and remember not to bring peanuts to school. But they need to stop and think about how much harder it must be for this little girl and her family to cope with such a severe allergy.
And the girl may not need the special accommodations for all 12 years of school; children often outgrow food allergies or the allergies get less severe. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:55 am Post subject: |
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recessiontime wrote: |
No fox, the welfare state does not have an endless supply of money to deal with obscure illnesses in expensive ways like you daydream over. |
The state pays for their education no matter what, it's just a matter of taking a portion of the funds that would be used for such children and instead allotting it directly to the parents due to extreme circumstances. Outside of some minority administrative costs due to having to assign someone to handle such concerns, this would be relatively cost neutral.
recessiontime wrote: |
Accommodating disabled people is expensive and not worthwhile ... |
Trying to get you to understand why you are wrong is a waste of time. You're welcome to your opinion. Vote accordingly. The rest of us will do the same.
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The girl's parents probably don't have the time or resources to home-school. |
Dubious.
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Or perhaps they feel that the social benefits of their daughter going to school outweigh the risks. |
The hypothetical opinion of parents willing to put their daughter's life at risk in such a fashion is not something I'm particularly interested in.
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It's easy to say that the girl's parents shouldn't have her in public school, but we don't know the full circumstances that led to the parents' decision. |
We know this girl has a potentially fatal allergy to a common substance. I'm struggling to imagine the "full circumstances" that could possibly justify their choice. This is a serious situation. The kind of situation you make accommodations for with regards to your family's lifestyle, even if it involves sacrifice.
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As for the other parents who are complaining, they need to show a little empathy. |
I didn't say anything about them. My concern is for the girl's health.
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And the girl may not need the special accommodations for all 12 years of school; children often outgrow food allergies or the allergies get less severe. |
In which case she could return to school without problem. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:19 am Post subject: |
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I had never hear of peanut allergy until a few years ago. Have peanuts changed or humans started evolving in some way.
Also I have never hear of death by peanut.
Is this similar to the massive ADD epidemic?" |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
I had never hear of peanut allergy until a few years ago. Have peanuts changed or humans started evolving in some way.
Also I have never hear of death by peanut.
Is this similar to the massive ADD epidemic?" |
Oh, yes.
It's funny. West Africans eat peanuts as one of their staple protein source. |
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methdxman
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Guys, this all boils down to two factors:
Americans becoming more and more *beep*-ish.
Lawsuits continuing to be big business in America.
That's it. That's the only reason why we have b.s. like this in the U.S. |
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MyNameIsNobody
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Location: Here
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: Girl with Peanut Allergy Causes Controversy at Florida schoo |
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NohopeSeriously wrote: |
rollo wrote: |
I had never hear of peanut allergy until a few years ago. Have peanuts changed or humans started evolving in some way.
Also I have never hear of death by peanut.
Is this similar to the massive ADD epidemic?" |
Oh, yes.
It's funny. West Africans eat peanuts as one of their staple protein source. |
I remember from my Toxicology and Cancer course that there is an African population that uses peanuts as a staple food (not sure if we're talking about the same one). Their population also has a high incidence of cancer which has been attributed to the carcinogen aflatoxin, a mycotoxin found in the fungus that can grow on peanuts. So, while the peanut won't kill you, the carcinogen found with the peanut can .
Before I cause some weird panic, I should qualify what I'm saying. Carcinogens abound in our world. There is no avoiding them. Increased exposure to a carcinogen can cause an increased risk of cancer. Likely, the peanut products you're eating have been screened so that you are not exposed to high concentrations of aflatoxin. Now is it possible to get cancer from taking in 1 ppb of the stuff? Sure it is. Is it likely though. No, it is not.
(Note, I think the jury's still out on long term, low level exposure. Still not a reason to avoid the nut.) |
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JSC
Joined: 07 Dec 2010
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
I had never hear of peanut allergy until a few years ago. Have peanuts changed or humans started evolving in some way.
Also I have never hear of death by peanut.
Is this similar to the massive ADD epidemic?" |
I'm highly allergic to peanuts. I survived elementary school just fine. As a severe peanut allergy sufferer myself, I'm not quite sure why there needs to be special rules in place. It's probably a good idea to follow some basic precautions, but otherwise I find it much ado about nothing.
While growing up, I never knew anyone else with peanut allergies, but as I've gotten older, I know more and more people who suffer from the same allergy. And every year, I read one or two stories of someone who died because of their peanut allergy.
For those interested, here are some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_allergy
http://www.peanutallergy.com/ |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: |
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The whole peanut allergy thing is weird. It was pretty unknown in the West a few decades ago, and it's completely unknown in the East now. Occasionaly I have a conversation class which involves talking about allergies.. when I mention how serious Americans are about peanuts it generally makes the students burst into laughter or think I'm lying (or both!).
It's interesting how this allergy has developed over the last few years though. In your grandparents or great-grandparents day it didn't exist. Now it does. Very odd. I often think that half of it is parental "perceived peanut allergy" + "real panic attack" due to parental panic.
As a kid it didn't exist in the UK, but I believe it's getting 'popular' now. Several years after N. America.
Most odd if it's a real problem. When will the peanut disease hit Asia? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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^What you say sounds similar to autism over here in the US. It was an almost unheard of affliction when I was a kid, but now I hear like 1 in a 100 children are being diagnosed as autistic.
WTF? |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:16 am Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
^What you say sounds similar to autism over here in the US. It was an almost unheard of affliction when I was a kid, but now I hear like 1 in a 100 children are being diagnosed as autistic.
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Too many head doctors.
I almost certainly would have been diagnosed with autism or assbergers when I was younger if I'd been in the US. I was just going through a phase =) I bet if I'd ended up on the regular drug regime from that I'd still be in a daze.. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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sallymonster wrote: |
The girl's parents probably don't have the time or resources to home-school. Or perhaps they feel that the social benefits of their daughter going to school outweigh the risks. It's easy to say that the girl's parents shouldn't have her in public school, but we don't know the full circumstances that led to the parents' decision.
As for the other parents who are complaining, they need to show a little empathy. Sure, it's annoying for them and their children to have to wash their hands and mouths all the time and remember not to bring peanuts to school. But they need to stop and think about how much harder it must be for this little girl and her family to cope with such a severe allergy.
And the girl may not need the special accommodations for all 12 years of school; children often outgrow food allergies or the allergies get less severe. |
How the heck are you going to ensure an entire school full of children is hygienic? Do you teach elementary here? Try to make your kids hygienic round the clock. Good luck. |
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geldedgoat
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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sallymonster wrote: |
Or perhaps they feel that the social benefits of their daughter going to school outweigh the risks. |
Setting the risk of death issue, which Fox has already addressed, what social benefits do you think this girl would experience if every single person she encounters in her school is forced to wash many more times than normal and is banned from bring Snickers and PB&Js because of her? |
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