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sadguy



Joined: 13 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:27 pm    Post subject: mom makes son fight Reply with quote

and she gets arrested for it

crazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhfXcerotY

kudos to the guy who stepped in. most people would've just watched or drove by
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Utter trash. Plain and simple.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Child endangerment, plain and simple.
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like an exasperated single parent. I assume the father is absent or not around to resolve the situation/ discipline the boys.

As much as I hate fighting...and know that it is wrong... Every mother wants her son to be able to look after himself if need be.

Correct way to do this though is to send him to proper boxing or martial arts classes. Where he can wear protective gear in a safe and controlled environment.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because only fathers raise and discipline their children, and children without fathers all grow up to be violent thugs, right?
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some evidence that children raised without their father are less disciplined and more violent.
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
Because only fathers raise and discipline their children, and children without fathers all grow up to be violent thugs, right?


Right. Nail on head.

Quote:
For the best part of thirty years we have been conducting a vast experiment with the family, and now the results are in: the decline of the two-parent, married-couple family has resulted in poverty, ill-health, educational failure, unhappiness, anti-social behaviour, isolation and social exclusion for thousands of women, men and children.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/experiments.php?PHPSESSID=04a5571963443f82281d8c0bd4332322

Quote:
*63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes.
[U. S. D.H.H.S. Bureau of the Census]

*90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
[Center for Disease Control]

*80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.
[Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14 p. 403-26]

*71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.
[National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]

*70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes
[U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept., 1988]

*85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.
[Fulton County Georgia Jail Populations and Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992]


http://fathersforlife.org/divorce/chldrndiv.htm
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Setaro



Joined: 08 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nothing to do with a lack of a father, it's a mix of the parents/neighbourhood/social class/society at large that creates violent thugs.

My father is an asshole and I'm glad I was raised by a single mother. Sure the fact that I had not a single male-figure in my childhood means I can't really relate to other men, still, makes me a hit with the ladies because I know how they think Very Happy

But anyway, I come from a poor town, rife with drug and alcohol problems along with chronic unemployment. All the men spend every evening getting drunk in the local pubs, doing dead end jobs/claiming welfare.

If I'd had a father (biological or step) in my life I'm pretty sure I would have been taken to the pubs regularly, and grown up into a violent drunken waster like the rest of them.
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Setaro wrote:
It's nothing to do with a lack of a father


Statistics clearly prove otherwise.

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, it's a mix of the parents/neighbourhood/social class/society at large that creates violent thugs.


OK I'm sure many single mothers do a great job, and I get what you're saying.. but let me specify..the problem is "lack of a responsible and caring father".

Maybe the deeper problem is that.. the whole concept of what it is to be a man has taken a negative turn over the past few decades.
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Setaro



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's most important aspect in building a child's character is down to the parent, or parents, be it a single mother or a single father, or a couple. Children learn from experience, if a parent is physically abusive to a child the child obviously has a much higher chance of becoming violent themselves.

It's the same if you have a generally uncaring parent , ones who don't care what the child gets up to, and then that child falls in with local thug kids. That's why you get lots of children with terrible parents falling in with gangs; the gangs give them the emotional support and sense of belonging that they didn't get from their parent(s). But even good parents, if the family lives in a bad area, will have to be saints in order to not have their child fall in with the wrong crowd and all that comes with that.

And, while I don't doubt your statistics, do those statistics also include information which shows the socio-economic group the youths came from?
I would stake money that the number of youth offenders raised by unemployed single mothers in the projects/ghetto/council estates, compared to the number coming from upper-middle class single-mother households will be vastly different.

Also do the figures take into account that single mothers may have several partners/boyfriends, any of whom might be abusive/violent/assholes and influence the kids into being assholes themselves, in which case it's not the lack of a father-figure, but rather the lack of a good father figure that's the problem.

But I had neither and I turned out ok.
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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that Young Turks show supposed to be funny
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sadguy



Joined: 13 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highstreet wrote:
is that Young Turks show supposed to be funny


its an underground news show.
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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Setaro wrote:
It's nothing to do with a lack of a father, it's a mix of the parents/neighbourhood/social class/society at large that creates violent thugs.

My father is an asshole and I'm glad I was raised by a single mother. Sure the fact that I had not a single male-figure in my childhood means I can't really relate to other men, still, makes me a hit with the ladies because I know how they think Very Happy

But anyway, I come from a poor town, rife with drug and alcohol problems along with chronic unemployment. All the men spend every evening getting drunk in the local pubs, doing dead end jobs/claiming welfare.

If I'd had a father (biological or step) in my life I'm pretty sure I would have been taken to the pubs regularly, and grown up into a violent drunken waster like the rest of them.
It does have something to do with there not being a father in the picture but the other things you listed also contribute. Single mothers can do a wonderful job raising children when they aren't also facing all of the other problems you listed, and two parents can also raise a shitty child when all of those factors come into play. It's not as simple as saying that they turn out bad just because there isn't a father in the picture.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
There is some evidence that children raised without their father are less disciplined and more violent.



i thought they were more light wristed.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm offended by the mom's bad fight advice. Clearly she doesn't perceive the value in grappling whereas the kids are trying to imitate the UFC to some ill-trained degree.

I don't know their neighborhood or the back story to all of this. I mean what's supposed to happen? Mom and son and the boy sit down for a "teachable moment"??? At least stuff a point is getting maid. Things are probably going to settle after this. What should the mom do? Tell the son to give the other boy a card that says "Let's be friends"? THAT would be endangering the welfare of her child because I guarantee if her son did that he would get beat 8 days a week by people at school.
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