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Teaching advanced writing skills

 
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Enigma



Joined: 20 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Teaching advanced writing skills Reply with quote

Most of my students are beginner/intermediate adults who are focused on improving their conversation and/or grammar skills, however I have one class of fairly advanced students. The main goal of one of these students is to improve his writing skill. He's in his mid-twenties and just finished university but hasn't found a job yet. He's been working extremely hard for the last few years on improving his English, and he now spends several hours a day in the library studying. His comprehension level is quite high, and he probably understands me 90% of the time.
To practice his writing, he'll occasionally write a brief essay and have me check it over. Unfortunately, it still sounds like someone's taken a Korean essay and run it through an online translator into English. I'm sure many of you know what I'm talking about, and so it's hard to follow a lot of what he's writing.
I'd like to help him improve, but I'm not sure the best route to take. He's made it clear that he's willing to do the work, so I want to make sure I help steer him in the right direction so he can use his time most effectively. I'm going to take a look through Google and see what I can find, but I'd appreciate any suggestions any of you might have.

Thanks
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your student is in a class of general English and wants to improve his writing on the side, there's not much extra you can, or should do (unless you like working for free). I know some teachers who wouldn't even mark the extra work he's been doing if it wasn't part of the set homework. I would be prepared to correct the odd essay but after that I'd just recommend a book or tell him to sign up for a writing class.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edward said it-- don't teach him for free. Your job is to provide activities, answer in-class questions, guide/facilitate discussion, and come up with appropriate assignments... not take your students hands and spoonfeed them the answers.

You can't make him improve--he has to force himself. Everything he needs is already out there-- so I would look at where he is/check his level, then recommend him some books that he can use on his own. Or tell him to look for his own darn books.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
If your student is in a class of general English and wants to improve his writing on the side, there's not much extra you can, or should do (unless you like working for free). I know some teachers who wouldn't even mark the extra work he's been doing if it wasn't part of the set homework. I would be prepared to correct the odd essay but after that I'd just recommend a book or tell him to sign up for a writing class.


+1

I've taught a lot of writing classes, most to beginners, but when it comes to getting into higher levels (i.e. the basic essay organization is there) you really need to devote a lot of time and energy to promote further improvement.

Furthermore, he also needs to devote a lot of time and energy to writing. The occasional essay won't help a bit. I witnessed a student start off as an absolute beginner and get to a high-intermediate level of writing (and other skills) over a period of 4 or 5 months, but she was taking hours and hours of English classes every day and I was a particularly inspired teacher of writing at the time. We're talking highly structured lessons designed to drive home very specific lesson agendas. She busted her butt every day and saw tons of improvement.

So yeah, tell the student that taking a proper daily writing class and actually writing while learning new techniques from an effective textbook that presents a variety of writing techniques and assignments is the absolute best way. After that, some sort of daily essay writing class. I wouldn't discourage the student from still giving you the odd essay to look over if you want to be nice, but it's completely useless for learning writing unless it's done daily and you provide a full-bodied feedback session...which is basically a writing class lol
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read.

Listening and speaking go together, reading and writing go together. If he can write well enough, the only way he's going to improve is to continue writing AND reading. If he reads well edited examples of english essays and practices mimicking the styles that he reads, he'll pick up bits and pieces as that goes on.

So, read and ape styles.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
Read.

Listening and speaking go together, reading and writing go together. If he can write well enough, the only way he's going to improve is to continue writing AND reading. If he reads well edited examples of english essays and practices mimicking the styles that he reads, he'll pick up bits and pieces as that goes on.

So, read and ape styles.


+1.

The best way to learn anything is via inference. And Reading is the only way to get that HUGE exposure you need to learn English by inference
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oldlongears



Joined: 11 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And make sure they are reading quality texts written by/for an audience that speaks English. That may be obvious to English teachers, but many instructional texts written (by non-native speakers) for English language learners still have that awkwardness that is difficult to describe but immediately apparent to native English speakers.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dictogloss is a good activity which can involve listening and writing at the same time. For longer writing practice, get students to start their own blog or get them to do some project which includes some form of writing for their next lesson (book reviews, film reviews, etc).
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
Read.

Listening and speaking go together, reading and writing go together. If he can write well enough, the only way he's going to improve is to continue writing AND reading. If he reads well edited examples of english essays and practices mimicking the styles that he reads, he'll pick up bits and pieces as that goes on.

So, read and ape styles.


Totally disagree with that statement. Listening and reading can go hand in hand. Writing and speaking can also go hand in hand. I would be wary advising students to listen more if they want to speak more.

Dictation is a classic example when students listen and write what they hear and can be incredibly successful when used as a Reformulation process (aka dictogloss).
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