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Marzipoo



Joined: 10 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't click on the link before. Now that I have read it I wonder how 41 boys can rape 3 girls on multiple occasions?

Sounds like a kind of fishy story.

On a related note, do you believe everything you read?

Lastly, what was your point again??
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.

Come back in 6 months and give us an update on how things are going here for you. I do wish you have a pleasant time here.
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Marzipoo



Joined: 10 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.

Come back in 6 months and give us an update on how things are going here for you. I do wish you have a pleasant time here.


Don't worry, I'm sure I'll have an excellent time like I always do no matter where I go.

Good luck with your obvious mental issues Smile
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.


This is very typical of Americans under the age of 25. It sure was true of me when I was 24, cocky, and new to Korea. I remember what a Catalan lawyer told me about young Americans: "They don't respect their elders." That's something I had to come to Korea to learn how to do.
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
interestedinhanguk wrote:
It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.


This is very typical of Americans under the age of 25. It sure was true of me when I was 24, cocky, and new to Korea. I remember what a Catalan lawyer told me about young Americans: "They don't respect their elders." That's something I had to come to Korea to learn how to do.


Yeah, but look on the bright side. Since she's chosen to ignore us, it'll be that much more gratifying when the flower of her youthful optimism is ground mercilessly into the spittle-soaked concrete.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koveras wrote:
Kuros wrote:
interestedinhanguk wrote:
It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.


This is very typical of Americans under the age of 25. It sure was true of me when I was 24, cocky, and new to Korea. I remember what a Catalan lawyer told me about young Americans: "They don't respect their elders." That's something I had to come to Korea to learn how to do.


Yeah, but look on the bright side. Since she's chosen to ignore us, it'll be that much more gratifying when the flower of her youthful optimism is ground mercilessly into the spittle-soaked concrete.


Aw. Koveras, I was trying to universalize a little bit to take the pressure off Marzipoo. I don't want to see her youthful optimism ground mercilessly! Just her naivete and over-confidence!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo,

My advice is to focus on the content of the advice offered, not the tone. Some of it is at least worth taking in and preparing for. It might not be necessary or may even be wrong, but factor it in. 95% of the advice I got from "bitter veteran expats" here was worthless. That other 5% paid for itself many times over. Also, while 95% of that advice was worthless for me, some of that was good advice for others.

The point is what we have here is the new recruit joining the shell-shocked platoon and getting a bunch of veteran's trying to freak em out and give em way too much advice. Just get in there and keep your wits about like you know how to do and everything will be good.

Keep it simple, don't focus too much on the details and minutiae.

And above all- Don't focus on potential problems! Focus on potential opportunities and successes!
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Marzipoo



Joined: 10 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you're saying, Steelrails.

Thanks for the reasonable input and advice. Smile
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
interestedinhanguk wrote:
It's about time to give up onMarzipoo. She won't listen to experienced advice.


This is very typical of Americans under the age of 25. It sure was true of me when I was 24, cocky, and new to Korea. I remember what a Catalan lawyer told me about young Americans: "They don't respect their elders." That's something I had to come to Korea to learn how to do.


i was the same (well, i repsected my parents, but not like now!) Smile
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southernman



Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Marzipoo,

The issue of abuse here in Korea is totally opposite than back home. There was a guy caught on Security cameras trying to abduct a young child. The parents took the tape to the cops. Two weeks later the parents went back to the cops they had done nothing. The tape showed the would be abductors face clearly. Parents went to the media, the man was found the next day. He'd just been released from prison for doing the same thing, only previously he'd been successful. Another time I was in a bar and the manager casually told me that the korean sitting in the corner had just been released from prison for rape. I said how did she know that. She said he'd told her and that it wasn't a big deal for Korean's to admit that. No real social stigma.

I've known 3 western females who have woken up to find men either in their apartment or in one case trying to break in. One girl lost her viginity to the rapist. The rapist ( or, actually his family) offered 19 Million won in money for her not to prosecute him. Korean's could not understand why she did not accept the money and let the 'problem' go away. about 2.5 years later she's still waiting for justice. It hasn't even gone before the courts yet. The guy has already admitted he did it. The court system here sucks big time.

But as streetrails says just be aware and vigilent at all times. But don't expect the cops here to be of much use if you ever need them
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Marzipoo



Joined: 10 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

southernman wrote:
Hi Marzipoo,

The issue of abuse here in Korea is totally opposite than back home. There was a guy caught on Security cameras trying to abduct a young child. The parents took the tape to the cops. Two weeks later the parents went back to the cops they had done nothing. The tape showed the would be abductors face clearly. Parents went to the media, the man was found the next day. He'd just been released from prison for doing the same thing, only previously he'd been successful. Another time I was in a bar and the manager casually told me that the korean sitting in the corner had just been released from prison for rape. I said how did she know that. She said he'd told her and that it wasn't a big deal for Korean's to admit that. No real social stigma.

I've known 3 western females who have woken up to find men either in their apartment or in one case trying to break in. One girl lost her viginity to the rapist. The rapist ( or, actually his family) offered 19 Million won in money for her not to prosecute him. Korean's could not understand why she did not accept the money and let the 'problem' go away. about 2.5 years later she's still waiting for justice. It hasn't even gone before the courts yet. The guy has already admitted he did it. The court system here sucks big time.

But as streetrails says just be aware and vigilent at all times. But don't expect the cops here to be of much use if you ever need them


I don't know about you but I would rather KNOW if there is a rapist around so I can split. Or at least try not to look too rapeable around them.

And about the useless cops, they are useless here too (and most likely everywhere else) so it's good to know that at least one thing will be just the same as back home.

But on a serious note, that's terrible what happened to your friend and I'm sorry to hear of it. But there are thousands of rapes and many more assaults and robberies every year in my state... do you think all of those people got the justice they deserved? Do you think even MOST of them got it?

I understand that everybody needs to be careful, and especially women, but I am just wondering what is the point of some people acting like it's a Korea thing and not a human being thing? People get killed, assaulted, raped, and robbed everywhere.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo, just wait til you get here,ok?
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crito03



Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Worth listening to... Reply with quote

Marizopoo, I never comment on anything on Dave's. But your nonchalant attitude has really struck a chord with me.

I spent four plus years in Korea back in 2003 with my foreign GF. We have since moved on to different pastures but that experience in Korea has left deep impressions (both positive and negative) in us. At first, we were much like how you appear to be now, confident and cocky. That stayed with us for a couple of years. However it took alot of ignorance on our part to do that.

Ignorance of the countless sexual assaults that my GF and our female friends were exposed to. From casual drunken ass grabs on the subway to persistent masturbators who would follow my GF(alone at night) in their cars (plural as in more than one experience). I know that the automatic response from anyone who has not been in Korea would be to say that we should have called the cops. But as anyone who has lived there knows, calling the cops is useless in regards to issues of rape and sexual assault.

For us it all came to a head when I watched as a drunken old adjosshi thought it was his right to grab my GF's ass on a public street in front of me and a few friends. As we squared off to fight (as I mentioned the man thought it was his right and was prepared to defend his right) my GF pleaded with me to let it go, as she knew that if I did end up hurting him in anyway I would be the one going to jail or paying blood money. It was there and then that I knew we had to leave Korea. We have since left and have a very comfortable life in a neighboring country where women are not treated like male chattel (well mostly).

It is clear that you do not want to hear about the negative aspects of Korea. Your suspicious response to the article about the middle school rape is unfortunate. Anyone who was in country at the time of that incident can tell you just how real and disturbing it was. However it was not surprising as we were also exposed to the story of the female American solider who was raped during her first taxi ride in Korea. The cabbie got off because the judge believed that the solider "had shown no evidence of having refused the man�s advances, and that he used not enough violence to constitute rape.�

//rokdrop.com/2006/07/16/philippina-woman-raped-in-korea-seeks-justice-2/

This is just the tip of the iceberg regarding sexual assault in Korea. I would suggest that you educate yourself about where you are moving to before you become so flippant to members of this board who are only trying to prepare you for the realities of what it is like on the ground in Korea. Yes they may be bitter and angry but that does not make what they say any less true.

Good Luck (you will need it with that cocksure attitude)
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southernman



Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again

PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marzipoo wrote:
southernman wrote:
Hi Marzipoo,

The issue of abuse here in Korea is totally opposite than back home. There was a guy caught on Security cameras trying to abduct a young child. The parents took the tape to the cops. Two weeks later the parents went back to the cops they had done nothing. The tape showed the would be abductors face clearly. Parents went to the media, the man was found the next day. He'd just been released from prison for doing the same thing, only previously he'd been successful. Another time I was in a bar and the manager casually told me that the korean sitting in the corner had just been released from prison for rape. I said how did she know that. She said he'd told her and that it wasn't a big deal for Korean's to admit that. No real social stigma.

I've known 3 western females who have woken up to find men either in their apartment or in one case trying to break in. One girl lost her viginity to the rapist. The rapist ( or, actually his family) offered 19 Million won in money for her not to prosecute him. Korean's could not understand why she did not accept the money and let the 'problem' go away. about 2.5 years later she's still waiting for justice. It hasn't even gone before the courts yet. The guy has already admitted he did it. The court system here sucks big time.

But as streetrails says just be aware and vigilent at all times. But don't expect the cops here to be of much use if you ever need them


I don't know about you but I would rather KNOW if there is a rapist around so I can split. Or at least try not to look too rapeable around them.

And about the useless cops, they are useless here too (and most likely everywhere else) so it's good to know that at least one thing will be just the same as back home.

But on a serious note, that's terrible what happened to your friend and I'm sorry to hear of it. But there are thousands of rapes and many more assaults and robberies every year in my state... do you think all of those people got the justice they deserved? Do you think even MOST of them got it?

I understand that everybody needs to be careful, and especially women, but I am just wondering what is the point of some people acting like it's a Korea thing and not a human being thing? People get killed, assaulted, raped, and robbed everywhere.


Yes they do, however in most countries it is a serious offence to commit, here you just pay some blood money and you don't even go before the Courts. That is if you're Korean. If you are a westener, then it's your fault. That's the big difference.

There is no such law as self defense here, pepper spray is illegal, so you pepper spray someone here and you will get locked up and be expected to pay blood money to the person who assaulted you.

I used the rapist story to offer some insight into the pysche here, you wouldn't have been told squat because you wouldn't have known anyone. You sound really really naive, good luck with that Very Happy
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