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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure going to immigration to cancel your visa is unnecessary. I think you can just hand in your ARC card to immigration on the way out and tell them you've quit your job.
That goes for the other poster whose passport was stamped blue. Did you hand in your arc card on the way out? |
No ARC card, wasn't there very long and the school itself didn't seem to be any rush to get me one, so I left without ever getting one. I imagine that's the case for the OP too since it's just been a few days for him. |
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USABOUND
Joined: 22 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I left before getting my ARC as well, although I'm smart enough not to come back.
Its over for Korea. Believe it or not, better jobs with just a little less pay can be had in China. Way less stress, and stupid regulations to deal with. People are way way more friendly as well. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Its over for Korea. Believe it or not, better jobs with just a little less pay can be had in China. Way less stress, and stupid regulations to deal with. People are way way more friendly as well. |
But you'll get most bang for buck from your Brad Pitt looks in Korea.
Now what about all the pollution in China, taking your sickly pallor into account? |
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USABOUND
Joined: 22 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| USABOUND wrote: |
| Its over for Korea. Believe it or not, better jobs with just a little less pay can be had in China. Way less stress, and stupid regulations to deal with. People are way way more friendly as well. |
But you'll get most bang for buck from your Brad Pitt looks in Korea.
Now what about all the pollution in China, taking your sickly pallor into account? |
I said I was treated like Brad Pitt, and yes I got plenty of hate from the other freaky foreigners for it. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Labor board is kind of useless since you quit after 2-3 DAYS but you may want to talk to them anyway.
Doing that means you need to pay back airfare (typically).
It also means that if your visa is cancelled you need to leave Korea asap. Overstaying is a bad idea, so contact immigration and find out the EXTACT status of your visa and by extension what your status is. You may have to leave and comeback on a tourist visa.
What you described at your schools smells fishy but quitting after 3 days is a bit rash and leaves you very little wiggle room. Trying to work things out longer than a couple of days may have been a smarter play, still, no use arguing over this since you already made an irrevocable choice.
So you can just leave and hope your visa is cancelled (hence my advice on calling immi and getting your extact visa status confirmed). |
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TNizzle
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: Seoul via: Indiana
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| schlotzy wrote: |
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure going to immigration to cancel your visa is unnecessary. I think you can just hand in your ARC card to immigration on the way out and tell them you've quit your job.
That goes for the other poster whose passport was stamped blue. Did you hand in your arc card on the way out? |
No, I don't have an arc card yet. |
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TNizzle
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: Seoul via: Indiana
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Labor board is kind of useless since you quit after 2-3 DAYS but you may want to talk to them anyway.
Doing that means you need to pay back airfare (typically).
It also means that if your visa is cancelled you need to leave Korea asap. Overstaying is a bad idea, so contact immigration and find out the EXTACT status of your visa and by extension what your status is. You may have to leave and comeback on a tourist visa.
What you described at your schools smells fishy but quitting after 3 days is a bit rash and leaves you very little wiggle room. Trying to work things out longer than a couple of days may have been a smarter play, still, no use arguing over this since you already made an irrevocable choice.
So you can just leave and hope your visa is cancelled (hence my advice on calling immi and getting your extact visa status confirmed). |
Literally for 3 days, I hardly even worked. All I did was argue with the school, and argue with the recruiters. We had a 6 hour meeting face to face And STILL couldn't work anything out [me, school, my actual recruiter, and my recruiters boss].
I was left with no choice, I felt.
If I have to leave Korea, I'll never come back. I taught an entire year last year in Bundang, and don't need this. I didn't come to Korea so that I could have more stress in my life than at any other moment. And it's been going on for a week now. It's ridiculous.
What is immigrations phone number?
Quitting after 3 days is a bit rash? Being told you're going to not be paid, and that the school is suing you!!! is beyond a bit rash to me. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| schlotzy wrote: |
| Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure going to immigration to cancel your visa is unnecessary. I think you can just hand in your ARC card to immigration on the way out and tell them you've quit your job. |
Telling them you quit is a bad idea if you intend on coming back for another visa. He's better off using the LOR he was given and saying the school released him because the recruiter lied about the job. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| TNizzle wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Labor board is kind of useless since you quit after 2-3 DAYS but you may want to talk to them anyway.
Doing that means you need to pay back airfare (typically).
It also means that if your visa is cancelled you need to leave Korea asap. Overstaying is a bad idea, so contact immigration and find out the EXTACT status of your visa and by extension what your status is. You may have to leave and comeback on a tourist visa.
What you described at your schools smells fishy but quitting after 3 days is a bit rash and leaves you very little wiggle room. Trying to work things out longer than a couple of days may have been a smarter play, still, no use arguing over this since you already made an irrevocable choice.
So you can just leave and hope your visa is cancelled (hence my advice on calling immi and getting your extact visa status confirmed). |
Literally for 3 days, I hardly even worked. All I did was argue with the school, and argue with the recruiters. We had a 6 hour meeting face to face And STILL couldn't work anything out [me, school, my actual recruiter, and my recruiters boss].
I was left with no choice, I felt.
If I have to leave Korea, I'll never come back. I taught an entire year last year in Bundang, and don't need this. I didn't come to Korea so that I could have more stress in my life than at any other moment. And it's been going on for a week now. It's ridiculous.
What is immigrations phone number?
Quitting after 3 days is a bit rash? Being told you're going to not be paid, and that the school is suing you!!! is beyond a bit rash to me. |
I will say this: 3 days is far to short a time do make a decision like the one you made, especially since you "hardly ever worked". Had you stayed on a bit longer and negociated, perhaps you could have met them halfway or something. Still, this is done, such is life.
Frankly, your options are quite limited since you quit so fast. You will owe them airfare (unless the Labor board rules otherwise).
What is immigration's number? You say you worked in bundang for a year, well I think you can find that number by yourself (no offense).
Find the number, call the them or even better visit them (you have a lot of free time now). What you absolutely cannot do is not know your visa status as this could have consequences as an overstay tends to come with a fine.
From your OP, the work situation was not ideal but then again lots of questions popped up when reading your list of gripes. I am sure you posted these in good faith but as someone who is not involved directly I see a lot of room for compromise in that list. Compromise from you and them, hence negociation.
Negociating would be a give and take process of course.
you are on the gound however and you know better than any of us whats going on there...still here are some of the questions that popped up for me (not meant to offend you):
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| 1. The job is at the wrong subway station. |
How much of a difference in subway stations? What impact would this have had on your work? How did it change the working conditions in the school?
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| 2. My housing is at the wrong subway station. |
Again, how much of a difference? What would the difference be in commute to and from work?
How was the appartment?
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| 3. The working hours are wrong. |
Wrong how? By how much?
Is it simply a scheduling change at the school or is the change significant (as in lots of extra hours or heavy split shift?)
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| 4. I am to teach at a different school 30 minutes away on Friday. |
This one an actual gripe that has traction. How many hours at this second school?
Was the second location registered with immigration as a second work location?
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| 5. I did not receive an orientation. |
I assume you were supposed to get one from your contract.
Still, how much orientation do you need as a teacher with a year of experience in Korea?
This is one point that can be negociated...
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| 6. I was threatened being told I would not be paid. |
Most likely AFTER you raised a crap storm over the points above...but still this is not acceptable. If you WORK, you should get PAID. However, you seem to have refused to work or to have worked very little in the 3 DAYS this took place...
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| 7. I was told that the school was going to sue me |
Over the top statement from the school and basically an empty threat. However, this came after you refused to work for 3 Days due to being unhappy with trhe changes right?
Basically this seems to be a situation where you HAD a lot of negociating room on the table. We have no idea how you presented your case or how they actually responded. One thing is for sure however, when you refused to work and then quit after 3 days, you eliminated all hope of getting concessions from this employer.
Points 1-3 could have been discussed and evaluated depending on the actual impact they had.
For example if the housing was ONE subway stop away, what difference does that make in your daily life?
If the hours were changed due to a school scheduling change (they had to modify hours for business reasons) but your hours stayed the same in total, this is an odd thing to pick a fight over or even get stressed over.
The second work location is a negociation point because it can be illegal for the school to farm you out.
I could be dead wrong here but there is a lot that is unclear in your situation.
Still, best of luck to you and I hope you sort this out quickly with immigration. |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure going to immigration to cancel your visa is unnecessary. I think you can just hand in your ARC card to immigration on the way out and tell them you've quit your job.
That goes for the other poster whose passport was stamped blue. Did you hand in your arc card on the way out? |
Highly unlikely OP has an ARC (the term "ARC card" is redundant, btw
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Also, with the new visa changes, can't employers be added? |
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cyui
Joined: 10 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Do you get to choose your deportation place? |
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cyui
Joined: 10 Jan 2011
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bbonthec
Joined: 07 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Over the top statement from the school and basically an empty threat. |
Possibly not an empty threat. Businesses in Korea CAN sue employees for loss of income if they quit their jobs without undue notice. One of my previous Korean co-workers was not allowed to quit his job, and he had a dying family member. School basically told him that he had to wait out the month, until a replacement was found, or he'd be sued, pronto.
So, just be careful of that. Paying back the air ticket might be a sign of good faith. Good luck. |
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austrian123
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Well there is life beyond Korea. Is teaching in Korea really that important to you?
Remember, you have the power and you control your own destiny. Don't rely on Korea or Koreans to shape your destiny. Teaching in Korea is not a real career and we are not real teachers IMO and I myself being a teacher in Korea can attest to that. Maybe this is a sign?
I say go to China and for a fresh start. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Possibly not an empty threat. |
It is if the OP leaves Korea.
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| Businesses in Korea CAN sue employees for loss of income if they quit their jobs without undue notice. |
Anyone can sue anyone for any reason. Doesn't mean they're in the right, or will win.
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| One of my previous Korean co-workers was not allowed to quit his job, and he had a dying family member. School basically told him that he had to wait out the month, until a replacement was found, or he'd be sued, pronto. |
Sure, the school can sue, but the court would see them as being the unreasonable party, not the employee. "Not allowed" to quit a job is nonsense, especially when coupled with a valid reason to resign.
One boss tried that with a co-worker and she laughed in his face. We are not slaves; they can't stop us from quitting, whether we have a valid reason or not. |
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