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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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The article is basically true.
I work at a highly ranked high school and the teachers do almost no teaching of material. They only supervise KSAT prep or organize other tests. It's the students who do all the work.
It's not actually accurate to call my place of work a school.....it's an intensive test preparation center. |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Korean parents push education? Wow, you don't say. I would have never guessed....... |
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charliebrown84
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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In related news, ice is cold and fire is hot. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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define 'education' |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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ThingsComeAround wrote: |
define 'education' |
THAT is the main thing. WE are NOT thinking the same as Koreans are when they consider someone who is learned. They base them on the groups theyre associated with (hence the fight to get into the "right" universities") and while we do a bit of that, we know alot of individuals are learned and get into positions based on what they know, ie specialzed skills, information).
the IQ test thing odd, because , while Ive beem here 10 years, the only real adults Ive met who I would feel are really smart (and Ive met aaaaaalot) are doctors and others in specialized fields. Sorry, but its what I feel. But they dont care about me, so no harm no foul |
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reft4268
Joined: 07 Mar 2011
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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No way! |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Parents do insist kids put in long hours here, but they are not always committed to a quality education. Parents often get in the way.
The following is ridiculous and might be hard to believe, but it is 100% true. One day at my first job in Korea, my boss brought me into his office and closed the door. Then he said to me accusingly, "I've heard you make students speak English. Is this true?" Confused and dumbfounded I responded "I'm an English teacher. That's my job."
As the conversation unfolded, it turned out there was a kid whose English was behind his classmates who complained to his mom. He was embarrassed by his English ability. My argument was that the only way he would get better was practice which meant speaking English.
The kid didn't care about learning. He cared about his pride.
The mom didn't care about his education. She cared about his feelings.
My boss didn't care about his education. He cared about getting paid.
The only person who was concerned with his education was me, the teacher. I think that is often the case. I did my real job, ignored those three, and taught him English.
Ideally you want involved parents, talented teachers, a supportive administration, and students who want to learn. Sometimes one of those is enough. Sometimes it takes all of them. This is yet another article that is trying to find a way to skimp on education. They believe parents are the critical part of the equation, and we don't need to train and pay talented teachers. That is idiotic.
When I have kids, I will talk to every single one of their teachers and say, "as far as I'm concerned, we are a team. If my kid gives you problems let me know and I'll sort it out. If my kid has problems, let me know, and I will get them extra help." As a parent, I will be a good team member to my kids teachers. Teamwork will make the difference. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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AmericanExile wrote: |
When I have kids, I will talk to every single one of their teachers and say, "as far as I'm concerned, we are a team. If my kid gives you problems let me know and I'll sort it out. If my kid has problems, let me know, and I will get them extra help." As a parent, I will be a good team member to my kids teachers. Teamwork will make the difference. |
In Korea, there is no such thing as a team. There is a group and one person leading the group. Thats all the name.Take away that person and its a mess (or director just had a baby, so shes been gone for a month, and its a crappy mess everyday. Every teacher trying to be more bossy than the next, but smiling all the while). Thats Korea, like it or not.
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"The kid didn't care about learning. He cared about his pride.
The mom didn't care about his education. She cared about his feelings.
My boss didn't care about his education. He cared about getting paid.
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YEs, youre smart, the quicker NETs learn this and theyll be able to be less stressed. Of course, not every school is like this, but most of them are. This is Korean culture. Its how it works.
Good on you for wanting to help the kids. Youre doing right. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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The problem I have with the system in place now is the way we are asked to operate our directive.
(As told to me by my principal)
We must not punish bad students, but give them greater praise
Make English more fun by introducing more games Students should be happy in English class.
Sorry, but it seems my principal is an idiot. I've known this (that he is an idiot) before, but he had to go and ask if I would make my own job more difficult.
Goals, if there are any, are not realistic here. There is a perceived idea of what the "perfect" English class looks like, perpetuated by clowns and sellouts like Issac Durst and his friends on Arirang. There is too much pride within the system for anyone to desire change- and things wont get better unless there is some.
Lately I've been interested in raising my own level of training, pick up a CELTA and later an MA so there is some weight behind suggestions that I believe in. |
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