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Curious George



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:51 am    Post subject: Need information on recruiters and schools! Reply with quote

Hello everyone. Im new to these boards. I am looking to come to Korea and teach (call me crazy!). Anyways, I could use some of the veterans experience with some recruiters and schools I am dealing with. So, here goes...

Gina Kim from Gia Consulting/eslcareerclick

Helen from BOBconsulting

T.H.E. School in Bundang/Sungnam City

American Language English school in Buncheon City

Could you tell me if the recruiters are good or bad? They both seem pretty nice.

How about the schools and locations. Good places to work /live?

Finally some general questions

One of the schools contract says only 8 days vacation but that the school says when you take it. Is this normal? Other than that the contract looks good to me.

Also the school in Bundang says they provide a single house. when I asked if it was an apartment they said no, a single studio house. could someone who is familiar with the area tell me what these small houses are like?

Are there any other recruiters or schools that are good that anyone can recommend?

Sorry for so many questions. I am a noob! Give me a break and be nice please!

Thanks for the advice in advance. I have read so much bad stuff I am a little paranoid to accept any contract now...
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked with any current or previous teachers at your school? Also check out the FAQs
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Alvin Stardust



Joined: 12 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why on earth would you want to use an agency? Madness! There are a zillion Korean jobs on this site alone. Apply to them directly. A lot of schools/hogwons/universities don't use these people...

Hogwon? Usually good for a early afternoon to late evening shift. Many pay you 'in hand'. Terrible vacation days. Try to find a good one (not many around...). Nice if you like sleeping late. Mostly kids.

University? Long paid holidays. Usually about 8 weeks or longer. Often 'split shifts' (ie: a couple of morning classes & one or two late afternoon or evening classes). Teacher often has more 'respect' from Korean bods. Often a mix of adults & young 'uns. Much more of a cushy life at a uni'.

Same requirements for both. So why not take a uni' job? Whatever you decide to do, don't use a recruiter. There's no need to...
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eight vacation days is a little low. The standard hogwan contract should be ten.

I haven't worked with any of those schools or recruiters, but Bundang is a nice place to live. If you run a search on it here, you'll probably find more threads talking about it. It's just outside of Seoul (maybe 45 minutes into downtown Seoul by bus) and connected to the Seoul subway system. It's a newer area, so it's fairly clean, and a bit more green than parts of Seoul. All the usual department store chains, movie theatres, fast food places etc are there.

As for the housing question, I'm really not sure what they mean by that. Bundang is mostly apartments, although I'm sure there's some houses tucked away that I just didn't see. You might want to talk clarify what they mean by that, perhaps when you talk to the other foreign teachers.
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Curious George



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies.

Crazylemongirl, I have looked at all of the FAQs I could find. That is why I am now paranoid about accepting a contract in Korea! Everything is so negative and the few positive postings are met with negative comments. To read this board is to feel that ALL jobs are bad and you are going to be an indentured servant working slave hours. I know there must be some good out there. I just need to find it.

Also, I havent really gotten far enough along in the process yet to make a firm request about talking to teachers at the schools. Could someone give me advice about how you would do this. I mean, couldnt the school just give you an email address that they say is a teacher, but answer it with a glowing report themselves?

Alvin, I would prefer not to use recruiters. However, most of the jobs I have seen are posted by recruiters. A University job sounds nice. Could you tell me how to go about finding a job with a university or without using a recruiter? I would be happy to try it. I have sent resumes to a few non-recruiter jobs and have gotten no reply.

As for the 8 day vacation. Yeah I knew it was kinda low. The part that I was asking about was if its normal for the schools to tell you when you have to take your vacation days. What if I do not want to take my vacation when they tell me? Like for instance if they want me to take in the middle of winter?

Again thanks for all the replies. Keep the information coming please!
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: Need information on recruiters and schools! Reply with quote

Curious George wrote:


Finally some general questions

One of the schools contract says only 8 days vacation but that the school says when you take it. Is this normal? Other than that the contract looks good to me.

Also the school in Bundang says they provide a single house. when I asked if it was an apartment they said no, a single studio house. could someone who is familiar with the area tell me what these small houses are like?

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Vacation? Not unusual for them to do that as far as I know.

I live in a studio. Fine. My friend lived in a studio. Small, but fine. I think, but may be wrong, studios generally are ok, maybe even more so in Bundang because it is a 'new' city.

Depends from school to school.

Most importantly - talk to someone who is already at the school. They will give you the low down.
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bepositive



Joined: 11 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi George

I know reading this board can put the frightners into anybody, but can I just say that a huge number of the people who write here are suffering the classic symptoms of culture shock (and 99% don't even realise it) and see it as a way to vent their frustration and blame everything and everybody except themselves.

It's not all bad, and remember the people who write here are just a small representation of all teachers working in Korea. People who are adjusting well and having a good time are not likely to spend time writing about it........I guess I'm just saying keep things in perspective.

For the record, I've had a great time. Yes, it was tough at times but that's just par for the course when you choose to live in a completely different culture to your own.
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious George wrote:
Thanks for the replies.



Alvin, I would prefer not to use recruiters. However, most of the jobs I have seen are posted by recruiters. A University job sounds nice. Could you tell me how to go about finding a job with a university or without using a recruiter? I would be happy to try it. I have sent resumes to a few non-recruiter jobs and have gotten no reply.



Univertsities generally employ in November/December ready for March. there are some late comers to that, but I think that is the rule of thumb.

When are you intending to come and where are you from?
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bepositive wrote:
Hi George

I know reading this board can put the frightners into anybody, but can I just say that a huge number of the people who write here are suffering the classic symptoms of culture shock (and 99% don't even realise it) and see it as a way to vent their frustration and blame everything and everybody except themselves.

It's not all bad, and remember the people who write here are just a small representation of all teachers working in Korea. People who are adjusting well and having a good time are not likely to spend time writing about it........I guess I'm just saying keep things in perspective.

For the record, I've had a great time. Yes, it was tough at times but that's just par for the course when you choose to live in a completely different culture to your own.


I concur. People that are having good experiences are far less likely to toil in a PC bang and post over and over about how much they love this and how great their job is and how kind Korean people are, than the people on the flipside of the experience.

The stories that you read about Korea on here are from people that view Korea, and the world for that matter, from their own perspective which has been shaped throughout their life. Seldom do two people look at one shared experience, from riding a subway train, to negotiating in Namdaemun Market, to workplace relations, and have the identical perspective. It's what makes us different from each other.

So bear in mind, you're not necessarily learning about Korea here. You're reading the differing opinions, viewpoints and perspectives of those who live and work here. As with most people, I had to unlearn a lot of eslcafe advice, after getting here. Don't take this place at face value.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curious george wrote:
Gina Kim from Gia Consulting/eslcareerclick
Helen from BOBconsulting

Both are big recruiters and basically just match people to jobs. There is no after support at all and they don't really care about what happens, as long as they get their money.

I was using Helen and she is nice but when she lined me up a job and i said no(it was in Daegu and I was looking for around Busan) she said

"I should take what is given and don't let her down."

I replied Am i working for you or are you working for me. Find me a job that matches my preferences or I won't use you at all.

She quickly became very apologetic. Money is the driver here.[/u]
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