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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, it is part of the helper co-teacher's duties to assist their native teacher with affairs outside of the school. Mine helped me (to various degrees of success) with K-immi, getting a phone set up etc. In return, she's on the top of my list for gifts of gratitude, despite the fvckups she's been responsible for. I don't know if she's compensated extra and she helps me out on school hours, but she can at least use this experience for better professional opportunities. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Is English actually your first language? This has to be a wind-up. |
Yes. I just have a bad editing habit. I often speak before I think. Then again, my French is better than my English and I'm an ethnic Korean. 
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Thanks for your thoughts Gadfly, I will be sure to file them. |
Summer, I was seriously asking -- IS it part of your co-teacher's job description to do these things? IS it a duty, for which the person gets paid?
That piece of information makes a huge difference -- if the person is PAID to act as a go-between for you, then yes, you absolutely have every right to complain about the poor job this person is doing. That person is not doing the job.
There are many people I have encountered, however, with a sense of entitlement -- they think that every one of their co-workers should help them whenever they need. I've been on the receiving end of such abuse myself, and I don't even LOOK like I speak enough Korean to help.
File it wherever you want, but could you please ANSWER the question? Is it part of your co-teacher's actual job description to do the things you are complaining about her not doing?
Maybe I am thrown off by the terminology -- you keep saying co-teacher. Do you actually mean the head teacher? Do you mean a Korean teacher that is in charge of "handling" the foreigners (director of foreign faculty or foreign faculty advisor)? Do you mean shil jang nim, gyo soo boo jang nim, or some other semi-demi-administrative title?
If it is the person's job to help, and the person doesn't, then I am firmly on your side. If not, then I am not. I asked for clarification, and I got thinly veiled smarm-casm. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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whether they like it or not, isn't our co-teacher appointed by the school principal to be our handler and also babysitter?
they're also paid to be our co-teacher.  |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Yet another reason that I am glad that I will never work at a public school in Korea. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: |
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If someone who didn't speak English felt it was their right to make you do what you are asking her to do in your own country, while also copping the same attitude that you are showing here, how would you feel?
It's basic human decency not to @#%# on someone who genuinely did their best to help you, even if they didn't do it 'the way you wanted to do it'.
You are shouldering someone with extra responsibilities just because you can't speak the language/deal with it yourself... and then you go on to hold them in contempt and make a thread about it online???
LAME. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| whether they like it or not, isn't our co-teacher appointed by the school principal to be our handler and also babysitter? |
Do you actually ENJOY the thought of having a handler/babysitter??
I for one DO NOT. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Thanks for your thoughts Gadfly, I will be sure to file them. |
Summer, I was seriously asking -- IS it part of your co-teacher's job description to do these things? IS it a duty, for which the person gets paid?
That piece of information makes a huge difference -- if the person is PAID to act as a go-between for you, then yes, you absolutely have every right to complain about the poor job this person is doing. That person is not doing the job.
There are many people I have encountered, however, with a sense of entitlement -- they think that every one of their co-workers should help them whenever they need. I've been on the receiving end of such abuse myself, and I don't even LOOK like I speak enough Korean to help.
File it wherever you want, but could you please ANSWER the question? Is it part of your co-teacher's actual job description to do the things you are complaining about her not doing?
Maybe I am thrown off by the terminology -- you keep saying co-teacher. Do you actually mean the head teacher? Do you mean a Korean teacher that is in charge of "handling" the foreigners (director of foreign faculty or foreign faculty advisor)? Do you mean shil jang nim, gyo soo boo jang nim, or some other semi-demi-administrative title?
If it is the person's job to help, and the person doesn't, then I am firmly on your side. If not, then I am not. I asked for clarification, and I got thinly veiled smarm-casm. |
Ok, I use the term co-teacher because she was the person saddled with the responsibility of dealing with me, not because we actually taught together.
I taught with almost all the teachers in my school (it was small), though not with her.
Though when I started there, if I needed anything I was always directed to her. I understand that we should be able to sort out all issues by ourselves, but sometimes its more difficult than its worth.
Sometimes, Koreans don't know how to deal with foriegners and tell you things like it cant be done, though if the Korean asks them (all of a sudden it can now be done).
I have found that its easier on me and the people I deal with to have a Korean spend 5 min. on a phone to get something done then it is to put me and the other person through all the stress of my broken korean and thier broken english just to get confused for the 1 hr - 1 week it can take.
The fact that you dont need to do this is great (I wish I could get there, but its not yet). Do they get paid to do it (Not that I am aware of).
Should they help me? Yes, if its in thier job duties. Do they have to like it? Not at all.
Should I ask for no help? Not on your nelly, if they are saddled with assisting me then they should assist me. I will try to limit the times I need them by doing most stuff by myself, but I wont feel bad for asking for thier assistance when I really need them too, I wouldn't be bothering them otherwise.
My privacy counts more than thier need to discuss what I am doing with every teacher at school and so I try to limit how much others need to know about my personal issues like whether I have a computer, an internet connection, whether I like to eat Indian food or not, etc. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
If someone who didn't speak English felt it was their right to make you do what you are asking her to do in your own country, while also copping the same attitude that you are showing here, how would you feel?
It's basic human decency not to @#%# on someone who genuinely did their best to help you, even if they didn't do it 'the way you wanted to do it'.
You are shouldering someone with extra responsibilities just because you can't speak the language/deal with it yourself... and then you go on to hold them in contempt and make a thread about it online???
LAME. |
Actually, if she was any good at the job, I wouldn't need to post it. But you cant vent to Korean co-workers.
As to the language issue, I can speak it well enough to get myself into trouble, not well enough to get myself out of it.
Though you must have been a ton of fun for your international friends when you were at Uni.
"You speak broken english and they dont truly understand you, so you are asking for my help? Well screw you, try harder - you should be speaking english".
The duties of a co-teacher are to deal with issues in and out of school to make an easier transition for teachers to work in Korea. I didn't create the role, but I wont feel bad for using it.
Though, the people who see themselves as superior to others because they never need help from anyone can become rather cloying. |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oh for christ's sake Summer Wine:
It's THEIR!! THEIR! TH EIR!!
Learn it! Use it! Love it! |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| Is English actually your first language? This has to be a wind-up. |
Yes. I just have a bad editing habit. I often speak before I think. Then again, my French is better than my English and I'm an ethnic Korean. |
So...'yes' English is your first language but your French is better than your English?
Jesus, I honestly hope some of you aren't here teaching. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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So...'yes' English is your first language but your French is better than your English?
Jesus, I honestly hope some of you aren't here teaching. |
Why not? English is an international language anyways. Besides, there are tons of native English-speaking Canadians who have trouble expressing in English. There are many people who should never teach English but it's not wrong for them. But anyways, kudos to them. |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| nero wrote: |
So...'yes' English is your first language but your French is better than your English?
Jesus, I honestly hope some of you aren't here teaching. |
Why not? English is an international language [b]anyways[/b]. Besides, there are tons of native English-speaking Canadians who have trouble expressing in English. There are many people who should never teach English but it's not wrong for them. But anyways, kudos to them. |
The problem is that you don't make sense.
What I have highlighted in your response is written incorrectly.
Also, why did you single out Canadians in particular? Why should they get kudos for coming to Korea and teaching poorly?
'There are many people who should never teach English but it's not wrong for them' Huh?
Maybe not wrong for them but what the hell are they passing on to students who pay good money to be taught correctly. |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| nero wrote: |
| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| nero wrote: |
So...'yes' English is your first language but your French is better than your English?
Jesus, I honestly hope some of you aren't here teaching. |
Why not? English is an international language [b]anyways[/b]. Besides, there are tons of native English-speaking Canadians who have trouble expressing in English. There are many people who should never teach English but it's not wrong for them. But anyways, kudos to them. |
The problem is that you don't make sense.
What I have highlighted in your response is written incorrectly.
Also, why did you single out Canadians in particular? Why should they get kudos for coming to Korea and teaching poorly?
'There are many people who should never teach English but it's not wrong for them' Huh?
Maybe not wrong for them but what the hell are they passing on to students who pay good money to be taught correctly. |
to what I wrote above, I am assuming that you are here teaching. If not, then forgive my harsh assessment of your English capabilities. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Though, the people who see themselves as superior to others because they never need help from anyone can become rather cloying. |
It's not about never needing help, it's about not being a jerk when someone actually does try to help you, even if things still don't go the way you want them to.
EDIT: Grammar... jeez, this job/country is really taking a toll on my English!
Last edited by ESL Milk "Everyday on Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
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