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PEIGUY

Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Location: Omokgyo
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I am going to throw my two cents into this conversation. I am not yet in Korea but it sounds familar to back home. I am Canadian and as most Canadians i was taught french in school (allbeit i couldn't speak it lol). later in life when i had the opportunity to work with french people i did what Koreans do, I spoke to them in there language. Its just commonality really, mind you some times they would reply in english because they get to practise there english. In some situations it would feel uncomfortable having a convo with a perfect stranger ( the eg of the subway car) but lighten up and have fun besides, you could always just speak english really fast and then walk away and laugh at the confused look on their face!  |
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maxxx_power

Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Location: BWAHAHAHAHA! I'M FREE!!!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
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| Why do people complain when Koreans are not friendly, then complain when they try to speak to us? |
Because trying to speak to us != being friendly. |
There's a difference between having a reason to speak to someone and talking to a complete stranger on a subway. The motivation for these conversations may also be more than just to have a friendly chat.
For some reason I am approached constantly by people here. It's seriously getting on my nerves. It's not that they're being unfriendly, just disrespectful of both personal space and privacy.
Would you approach a complete stranger in your native country on a subway/bus or in any other environment and start asking them questions? What kind of reaction do you'd think you would get?
Most likely they'd be irritated and try to end the conversation fast or completely ignore you. It was annoying back home and it's annoying here (to me). If being questioned by strangers or approached on the subway is your cup of tea then more power to you.
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| In some situations it would feel uncomfortable having a convo with a perfect stranger ( the eg of the subway car) but lighten up and have fun besides, you could always just speak english really fast and then walk away and laugh at the confused look on their face! |
It'll be interesting to hear your take on this after living here and riding the subways for a while. The first time it's amusing and cheerful, it gets old real fast when it happens all the time. |
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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I bought an MP3 player and began wearing it around town no matter where I went. Worked wonders... As an added bonus it drowned out all the stupid "Look, a foreigner!" comments and half-assed English that seems to surround westerners as they move about the city.
Heck, if you're desperate, just buy a pair of cheap headphones and stick them in your ears... probably work just the same. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The only time I've been truly uncomfortable was when I had a guy approach me and try to speak English when I was in the hospital... I'm on the verge of puking and this guy wanted to ask me questions... I don't care if he wanted English lessons or to be nice, I was sick. That's the only case where I have been somewhat rude. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ryleeys wrote: |
| The only time I've been truly uncomfortable was when I had a guy approach me and try to speak English when I was in the hospital... I'm on the verge of puking and this guy wanted to ask me questions... I don't care if he wanted English lessons or to be nice, I was sick. That's the only case where I have been somewhat rude. |
Yeah, I had that once too. I'm in the hospital issue pj's with a goddam IV drip and this random nutbar behind me bangs my shoulder and starts shouting in a loud voice about how he used to buy black market PX goods and loves American chocolate. Course, he was saying all this in Korean. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't bother me at all, if the people are friendly and respect that I'm a person too. Pushy people annoy me, whether they're Koreans wanting to practice English, or anyone else with an agenda.
Related to the idea of Koreans wanting English lessons; I had a really odd experience in Seoul a few weeks ago.
I was walking to a bus stop and a young guy came up, and said "Excuse me, can I ask you something?- What's the difference between deck and floor"?
Once I explained that the deck is the floor of a boat, he thanked me and walked off. |
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Eazy_E

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. How many conversations do you guys have with foreigners you have met here that don't start with "Where do you come from", blah blah? Are these people trying to get free English out of you, or are they just starting a conversation?
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This is kind of a good reason why I don't like to talk to other foreigners that I see in public places like the bus or subway - heck even McD's. The same questions get asked, I have to ask the same questions, and then wtf do we talk about? If there is nothing in common, well?
I always ponder how many of you would start talking to a random person on the bus or subway back home. Would you? I definately wouldn't. Then why would you do it here?
In the same way you usually meet new people through friends back home - you know a friend of a friend, that seems the best way to comfortably talk to other foreigners here.
When you meet a friend of a friend, I find the type of conversation is better, as you feel more relaxed and accepting of the person...out on the subway, I don't know who you are and I don't want to...so I ask/answser basic questions if YOU start talking to me...like I would if a Korean was talking to me. I don't know the Koreans either, and chances are I don't want to. |
This one hit the nail on the head. The annoyance factor for me is not that I won't get 50,000 won to grace someone with my English-speaking presence. It's just that it's always the same banal questions asked by a stranger who I'm not really interested in speaking to.
It reminds me of the tedious, mundane questions that I'm forced to ask the students at the hagwon: "how many people are there in your family". Five. Why do you care?
Mind you, the thing that holds me back in Korean is that I don't want to bore someone with those kinds of questions, which are the only thing I can say in Korean at the moment. I want to say the same things I would say in English, except I can't. I guess you have to walk before you can run.... |
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ladyandthetramp

Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: mp3 and book |
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I tried the mp3 player trick and it worked for quite a while. Usually I read at the same time. Still, twice in one week I was approached by college-aged guys (admittedly, I wouldn't have been bothered if they were ladies) on the subway. I even ignored their initial "advances" at me, but they were persistent and left me no choice but to respond.
So, the board is divided on the main issue at hand, but does it at least agree that it is a little rude to approach a person wearing headphones and reading a book on the subway just to practice your English?
I need your approval, then I will take offense to their actions. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand I have seen many a sleazy English (western) guy trying to pick up girls here by using their desire to study English. They learn quick... "Yeah, I know, you don't get the chance to speak English! That's too bad! Actually it's really noisy in here, if you want to go have a beer somewhere else a bit quieter we can practice and I'll correct your mistakes..."
How do I know he wasn't just interested in helping her? Because I can guarantee he wouldn't have said the same thing if it was a Korean guy saying the same thing.
I do like the old men on the train though, I've learned a lot from them and it's interesting to speak to them in Japanese when they find out I used to live there. They are always the first ones to bust out the Japanese when they find out that I understand.
I suppose the worst are drunken men from about 20-40 years of age as they are way too ambitious at that age, plus I generally don't want friends of that persuasion.
Lastly, for some reason I don't seem to mind if the person trying to speak English is gorgeous and in her 20s...I wonder why? |
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Imbroglio

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:23 am Post subject: |
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I remember my first time in the subway trying to figure out how to get from Seoul Station to Sincheon. I had been in Korea a whole week. This uni aged guy walks past me and I flag him down and ask for help.
In perfect english this (kyopo) guy tells me how to navigate the map and which side of the subway I should be on to get to my destination. I almost had a heart attack in shock as in the next few seconds he jumped on the train and dissapeared. I never had a chance to thank him...shock...
Always remembered the kyopo who helped me and whenever a Korean would come up to me to practice english - I payed back mother karma. |
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buddy bradley

Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: The Beyond
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| How do you keep people from practicing English with you? |
With a knife to the gullet. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Try "How's your mother"?
They might not get it, but its immensely gratifying |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Try "How's your mother"?
They might not get it, but its immensely gratifying |
I don't get it.
Maybe you'd practice English with me? |
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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretend you don't speak English and that you are, actually, French? |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Try "How's your mother"?
They might not get it, but its immensely gratifying |
I don't get it.
Maybe you'd practice English with me? |
Your mother's fine.
konichiwa!
KONICHIWA! |
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