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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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Her income isn't that low either.
Well if ajummas in all of their 'wisdom' decide to put education before safety, one day it will bite them in the butt.
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What about Korea's rural to semi-rural towns. School, Mommy's work are all hours away by walk but not that far by scooter.
"Oh yes, nothing is more important than safety"... and yet if you are spending an hour by foot walking... And of course if you are walking all of us are yelling at you for allowing your kid to walk dangerous roads unsupervised...
The point I'm trying to make is that if you were that mother in that situation you might make the same choice as well... Go ahead and buy that ajumma a car and a safety seat or be quiet.
Your yearly income is not 6 million won. Ease up. |
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InDaGu
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Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
What about Korea's rural to semi-rural towns. School, Mommy's work are all hours away by walk but not that far by scooter.
"Oh yes, nothing is more important than safety"... and yet if you are spending an hour by foot walking... And of course if you are walking all of us are yelling at you for allowing your kid to walk dangerous roads unsupervised...
The point I'm trying to make is that if you were that mother in that situation you might make the same choice as well... Go ahead and buy that ajumma a car and a safety seat or be quiet.
Your yearly income is not 6 million won. Ease up. |
How about this - don't have kids unless you can properly provide for their safety and well-being. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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One kid on a scooter with one adult can be perfectly safe, when both passengers wear helmets. If one chooses to have more than one kid, it's their duty to provide safe transportation. Too expensive? Have fewer kids!
This isn't class warfare. It's common sense. |
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swinewho
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw an ad on tv promoting seat belt use yesterday. I was actually impressed. It showed a man, a woman, and two kids flying forward then showed them safely being held back in a car by seat belts. Hopefully, this will be a good start on public education encouraging people to take responsibility for their own safety and the safety of their kids. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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Would be nice, but fat chance.
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| I saw an ad on tv promoting seat belt use yesterday. I was actually impressed. It showed a man, a woman, and two kids flying forward then showed them safely being held back in a car by seat belts. Hopefully, this will be a good start on public education encouraging people to take responsibility for their own safety and the safety of their kids. |
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MacLean
Joined: 14 Feb 2011
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The driving culture here is one of the things that gives Korea a distinctly 'third world' feel. That said, it is astonishly wreckless to not put a child in a safety seat, or ensure that older children are wearing seatbelts. At a previous public school a student of mine was killed alongside her father in a traffic accident. Neither were wearing seat belts. The surviving son, grade four, received serious leg injuries and was left with a limp for life. He will also carry with him the trauma of having witnessed the death of his father and sister in the car. I was furious not only at the negligent father, but at the culture that will allow this kind of thing to happen over and over again. Honestly, how many children must die before people catch on?
As for safety seats, things will never change until Samsung or LG realize there's money to be made. They will lobby (bribe) the government to bring in and enforce safety seats for young children. How will they justify enforcing this law while ignoring all the other traffic violations? By repeating the mantra that Koreans love their children so much that parents lobbied to have this law enforced. As a government that listens to the people, the law was duly enacted. I don't care how it's done. But this one law that must be enacted and enforced. |
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Crockpot2001
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Slap an Apple logo on a car seat and they would sell like hotcakes. |
Slap an Apple on it and watch them be help up at customs until AFTER LG or Samsung make their own brand or the Korean Nationals get theirs because you will need a National number because "there is a problem with the computer and alien registration numbers are not recognized by our highly advance technolgy". |
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MacLean
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I was thinking about this as I was in a taxi home last night. What was the driver doing? Why watching tv of course, occasionally flicking between channels. I can literally feel my blood pressure rise when I observe this. Endanger your own life if you want, but you have a moral obligation not to endanger the lives of your paying customers.
That goes ten times for people who have children. You have no right to endanger their lives by wreckless or negligent behaviour. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| My boyfriend had a driver playing touch-screen solitaire the other night. Insanity. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I was taking a taxi the other day in Incheon. It was a 2 km straight shot from the location to my destination. The driver drove 120 km an hour. I think the limit was 70. |
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MacLean
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The situation is really quite dreadful. Last Fall I was riding my bicycle and I noticed a crowd of people standing around a large truck. Curious, I cycled over to see what was going on. As I was arriving the medics were pulling the wreckage of an autobike out from under the truck. I thought to myself, "This cannot be good." Sure enough, two minutes later they drag out the lifeless body of a young delivery boy. I was stunned. Soon the crowd dispersed - nothing having been learned - and went on about their day. Elsewhere in Korea the same scene was likely repeated several times over - on that one day alone!
What will it take? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| InDaGu wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
What about Korea's rural to semi-rural towns. School, Mommy's work are all hours away by walk but not that far by scooter.
"Oh yes, nothing is more important than safety"... and yet if you are spending an hour by foot walking... And of course if you are walking all of us are yelling at you for allowing your kid to walk dangerous roads unsupervised...
The point I'm trying to make is that if you were that mother in that situation you might make the same choice as well... Go ahead and buy that ajumma a car and a safety seat or be quiet.
Your yearly income is not 6 million won. Ease up. |
How about this - don't have kids unless you can properly provide for their safety and well-being. |
For goodness sakes not every child who is on one of those scooters unhelmeted is going to die.
Again, this is all going to get solved by some Korean company making money off of it (and is probably already in progress) but lose the elitism.
Back home kids have to work on farm equipment and stuff. That is certainly hazardous. Life goes on. Obviously helmets should be a law and so should seats and seatbelts. But if you have families/groups of 10 crammed into a car because of economic reasons, well that's how the other 5 billion of the world live.
You want to do something about it? Donate more of your money to charity for free cars and car seats. Poor people are going to have kids and are going to use scooters or all hop in the back of a pickup truck and have their kids work the farm with dangerous equipment.
Safety involving 4000 pound boxes of steel equipped with stereos, cell phones, food, passengers, temperature controls to fiddle with, moving at speeds of 60mph+ with dozens of them in the same area all left up to homo sapien control is a relative thing. Making driving safe is like making Ice Fishing safe. Yeah you can make death relatively rare, but it is by nature a risky thing and stuff happens. Life goes on. |
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darkjedidave
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Location: Shanghai/Seoul
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure, poor people can't always afford to abide by the same safety standards that many of us hold dear, but that's not the big issue here. Those truly at fault are relatively well off people, compared to the poor family on the scooter. |
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