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[Kuros]

[JMO]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Just going to say that serfdom/fuedal system can be more or less traced back to Diocletian. When he 'modernised' the trade unions he made it cumpulsory for sons to follow fathers in their trades, hence fuedalism. His reoganisation of the empire into dioceses and more fort based defense is also a precursor to midieval times.

[UknowsI]

[travel zen]

[Kuros]

[Koveras]

[Underwaterbob]

Just here to point out that "decimate" means to reduce by one tenth and that it is often actually an understatement of the effects of European colonization on indigenous populations.

[ThingsComeAround]

[JMO]

[young_clinton]

[young_clinton]

Christianity is a hybrid too. Greek Mysticism and Judaism. What I like about Christianity is universal decency for all because God says you are no better than me, God says only he is better than you or me. You don't see that kind of ethics elsewhere. There's always some religous justification that someone can pull up to state that he is superior than you.
You should hear some of the crap in the Bangkok Post justifying misery and problems people have because they are inferior spiritually.

" I don't have any food to eat and I am sick and have nothing"

and the useful response............

"Remember all life is suffering and you must be suffering more because you have bad Karma, you have to wait untill the next life to be like me"

In Christianity all suffering is caused by sin, which everybody has and God wills it to be otherwise, because God created life and it has value. This most basic concept is far better. Even though I believe in evolution and question the concept of sin.

Nobody gives a crap about the Hill tribes in Northern Thailand except the missionaries, nobody gives a crap about the tribesmen in Papua New Guinea except the missionaries. And then you hear people criticisizing them for ruining the culture. So I guess they should still make women cut off thier fingers when thier husbands die? or that the hill tribes should be underfed because its part of the culture? Total Bull. Food, education and resources are vastly more important than culture. Anybody who disagrees with that, why not just live malnourished, uneducated and with zip resources including medicine, like they do and see what it is like. I won't and I don't expect anybody else to want to live under conditions of extreme poverty and other things for any reason, these people are human beings just like me.

[earthquakez]

Is your topic question serious? Nearly all of the world's peoples have engaged in systematic killing of rivals or perceived rivals who did not belong to their immediate kin or tribe. Later it took the form of attempting to destroy the culture associated with those outsiders of different kin, tribe or ethnicity/race. It's as old as humankind.

Before the crusades against the Arabic and other Muslim peoples in Jerusalem and the Middle East, the Muslim invasions and attempted invasions of the western Byzantine Empire and other non Muslim cultures had enslaved countless European Christians. BEFORE. The Spanish consorts Isabella and Ferdinand drove the Muslims out of Spain AFTER Muslims had conquered and enslaved the Spanish.

Read a book by the people who run Disinfo com "Everything you know is wrong". One of the writers gives an accurate and fascinating insight into how Europeans who are not Muslim unlike those natives of Easter Europe for example who are today managed to escape the deliberate and cruel slave trading of Muslim peoples who invaded Europe before Europeans went on crusades. Arabic speaking peoples also kept up slave trading of Blacks while the British navy roamed the seas after 1807 to combat slave traders and pirates.

Many people need to read European history from original sources and look to historians who don't run agendas like some do now and some populist, politically correct sources do now to portray world history for the last 14 centuries or so as somehow revolving around European crimes. The distortion of history has gone from the rah, rah, weren't European countries civilised and didn't they build up great empires biased slant to another biased slant of opposite ideology.

As somebody who has Caribbean ancestry some way back and is the descendant of Black slaves on one side of the family, I think it's unfortunate that many people do not know about the anti slavery movement in England in the 18th century and they do not attempt to understand just who and what forces were behind the abominable practice.

The tendency to lump all Europeans and their nations into one oppressor basket overlooks the white opposition to what southern whites did in establishing the slave trade in the US and Arabic peoples' (not all of them) custom of slave trading that continues til today. Just ask Sudanese people from the south about the reality of their enslavement for centuries up til recently from the Arabic cultured Northern Sudanese.

As for the Rwanda genocide, how many of you know that it wasn't just about the Hutu and the Tutsi being enemies? Among the ethnic group that committed the killings (forget whether it was the Hutu or the Tutsi) were people who then decided to kill their neighbours of the same tribe to gain their land.

Being the victim of genocide is not limited at all to a few groups of people in history. As the history of England in Ireland shows, the concerted effort to wipe out the language and culture of a people while taking their property in almost its entirety and punishing by law any reminders of the original culture shows cultural genocide committed by whites against whites. The potato famine that came some centures after these cultural genocidal laws were enacted wiped out many of the Irish - and that famine was due directly to the genocidal laws enacted a few centuries before that attempted to wipe out the Irish culture in all aspects.

[rumdiary]

[earthquakez]

Re the Catholic Church/Christian churches, there were Roman and Greek colonies in Africa, mostly Northern Africa, during the Roman Empire. The early Christian churches did not treat Black converts (we're talking about free converts, not the ones missionised during the peak of European colonialism much later) as lesser people. Discrimination against Black Christians and what later became Black Catholics was not a feature of Christianity and its authorities and members during its developing stages and then the establishment by Constantine of the Roman Catholic Church as the Roman Empire's religion.

An interesting fact about slavery in the Carribean - Irish and Scots who refused to accept their country being ground under by the English invaders could be and were sent to the Caribbean as slaves.

Getting back to the ignorance of historical events that involved people and cultures whom most whites and black people know little about, how about the Mongolian tribes as somebody mentioned before?

Funny how we don't hear about the Huns and other Central Asian nomadic horseman-based tribes such as those from Mongolia who went on expeditions to loot and destroy the cultures of western Europe as well as to kill their males who posed problems of resistance, and enslave their women and other of the males. These were incredibly rapacious and destructive, deliberately planned events on a big scale.

Even more interesting is that the Huns are the ancestors of many of the Koreans who are the descendants of Central Asian nomadic tribesmen.

[young_clinton]

Huns? Do you mean the Magyars? The Huns aren't around anymore. Hungarians (Magyars) speak a Uralic language, but are mostly Germanic in ancestry not Uralic. The same with the Finns and Estonians.