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Kuros
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| mises wrote: |
| It helps if you add "that bitch! Who does she think she is?". |
Guess which one of us is single?
Uh, anyway. Yeah, the slutwalk is silly. But as an American, I don't have a glowing perception of Ontario. I respect the Maritimes and from Manitoba on West. |
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comm
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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They really do just want a pat on the head here, and given the seriousness of the situation that bothers me. |
You know... I've realized for a long time that a woman will often think this way (wanting to be listened to, without any desire for help solving the problem) but it hadn't occurred to me that women could act that way in a large, politically active group.
If "listening to problems" is considered to be more important than "fixing problems" in a political context by a large segment of the population... the implications are pretty dire. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.slutwalktoronto.com/
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Sonya JF Barnett
SlutWalk Co-Founder
Heather Jarvis
SlutWalk Co-Founder
Heather Jarvis is a queer, sex- and body-positive feminist. With experience in women and gender studies, social work and community activism ... Jarvis believes we should be beyond the myths of people �asking� or �deserving� to be assaulted due to their behaviour or appearance. As a survivor and advocate for empowerment, Jarvis constantly aims to shed shame around sex and sexuality. She feels we deserve safe streets and a supportive justice system.
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Alyssa Teekah
SlutWalk Organizer & YorkU Liaison
Bleedin�, sweatin�, laughing and crying, Alyssa Teekah tries to talk the talk and walk the walk. Formally she is in her last year at York University (humanities and sexuality studies). She is a coordinator and co-founder of the group Feminist Action @ YU. She could choose to align with descriptors like queer, feminist, post-colonial activist � and sometimes does. But she�s also interested in the spaces in between � the yet unnamed and misunderstood which still manage to make their way into our everyday life. The unsettling, provoking ways of living and existing that often cause tensions within the institutions that profit from keeping these expressions stifled. Perhaps with rose-coloured glasses, she�s thinking of a utopian future, and trying to lay the groundwork to make it a reality.
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Jeanette Janzen
SlutWalk Researcher
Jeanette Janzen was called a *beep* before she ever even kissed a boy.
If being body-positive and proud and wanting to show off a little skin now and then makes Jeanette a *beep*, then a *beep* she is. She is also a part-time burlesque performer and erotic model but none of this makes her open to nor deserving of sexual assault. Being the proud holder of a Bachelor of Fine Arts in Drawing and Painting as well as a Master of Art in Art History and Curatorial Studies makes her also very under-employed with wondrous amounts time to devote to SlutWalkTO.
Jeanette Janzen has kissed a lot of boys�and some girls�and isn�t about to apologize for it.
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Erika Jane Scholz
SlutWalk Volunteers Coordinator
Erika is a sex-positive feminist who enjoys wearing make up, tight clothes, and socializing with guys. Does this mean that she is more likely and deserving to get sexually assaulted? Absolutely NOT but according to the views expressed by the police at York University this past January, she is. This form of victim-blaming and *beep*-bashing is both false and extremely dangerous. Erika, who is passionate about women�s rights and spends a large part of her time working with the Toronto Rape Crisis Centre among other feminist organizations, has had enough and believes it is time to make some noise and get active surrounding the issue. Erika is very happy to reclaim the word �*beep*� by challenging these harmful myths and stereotypes that are so widely accepted by our sexist culture. |
An accomplished group of sex-positive (?) activists (?).
Thankfully, none of these women will breed. Their dysfunction ends with them. If you're a normal guy/gal, go make a baby. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| But as an American, I don't have a glowing perception of Ontario. |
My better half has only ever been verbally mistreated for her citizenship once. Guess from where the male came?
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Canada's lack of class and style is showing here. In Latin America (or Miami) women dress in revealing, sexy clothing yet not slu$$y. I wonder if they wear the centerpiece of the canuck wardrobe - a ratty backpack - when out on the town, slu$$ing it up.
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Did any of you watch the documentary on feminism in Sweden? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Their dysfunction ends with them. |
You wish. That's the point of events like this: to try to to bully and/or shame the rest of the population into willingly adopting their dysfunction. To date, such attempts have experienced at least a modicum of success. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Their dysfunction ends with them. |
You wish. That's what this entire event is about: trying to bully and/or shame the rest of the population into willingly adopting their dysfunction. And they've experienced at least a modicum of success. |
Dunno. I still have Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?: Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century on my mind. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm seriously thinking now that this entire thing may have been avoided if the officer giving a speech had used the word prostitute rather *beep* and also added the disclaimer it is not the woman's fault for being raped. Again, I'm not sure if this would of worked against an audience that's probably watched Vaginal Monologues over a dozen times. It's a really tight rope to walk on in my opinion. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm seriously thinking now that this entire thing may have been avoided if the officer giving a speech had used the word prostitute rather *beep* and also added the disclaimer it is not the woman's fault for being raped. |
Yeah. The advice was sound. The delivery was extremely poor.
Still, organizing a parade with the apparent intent to not only ignore the advice but convince others to do the same is incredibly irresponsible. I can only hope most women there are too smart to adopt '*beep*' as a positive identity, and those that aren't end up getting raped hard enough to cause permanent damage to their reproductive organs, effectively removing them from the gene pool. Ok, maybe not that second part, but still... |
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Madigan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Why can we not, as males, put on a counter-demonstration? We can call it the "Just Shut-Up! Parade." I don't think it would work though. I don't think the typical male would be motivated enough to respond to inanity with even more inanity. |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| The cop definitely could've used a bit more tact. "Don't dress like a *beep*" isn't exactly the best way to make that point. |
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English Matt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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From what I've read about the march, it seems that they are protesting about the fact that society places the emphasis on the woman's responsibility not to get raped, rather than on people not to rape. If a guy can dress nicely and show off his muscles and abs, does it then follow that it was his fault if he is dragged down an alleyway by a group of rapists and sodomized?
I think most women are already aware that they probably shouldn't dress provocatively and then rock up in Jane and Finch at midnight loaded on cheap wine.....they don't need to be told this. However, having a male cop essentially tell them that the onus is on them not to get raped is a bit much. I mean, do we really think that rapists go wandering around the streets looking for candidates to rape based upon how they are dressed? Most rapists do not rape because they want to have sex, rather it is about power. Do many rapists have a type.....sure.....but it's usually linked to some psychological problem they themselves have. Maybe the girl reminds them of their mum.
Anyhow, as regards men who use roofies in a club. Are you telling me they will deliberately pick out the slutty looking girl? Or will they pick the girl they like the look of....a girl doesn't have to be dressed provocatively to be attractive after all.
Last of all, most rapes are not comitted by strangers....so thinking that if a girl dresses provocatively and stands out she is therefore going to get raped is just fallacious.
I think the posts in this thread, thus far, actually legitimise the actions of these women....good job guys. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| it seems that they are protesting about the fact that society places the emphasis on the woman's responsibility not to get raped, rather than on people not to rape. |
A cop was giving advice on how to avoid becoming a target. He told women that they should watch their behavior, and they went wild. That's what they're protesting.
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| Most rapists do not rape because they want to have sex, rather it is about power. |
Of the silly things leftists believe, this is near #1.
Read chapter 18 in The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Pinker:
http://tinyurl.com/66qmp85 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| The cop definitely could've used a bit more tact. "Don't dress like a *beep*" isn't exactly the best way to make that point. |
Yes, and he apologized for it. Meanwhile, his precinct stated that officers go through sensitivity training and don't endorse his comments.
The slutwalk is gratuitous. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Meanwhile, his precinct stated that officers go through sensitivity training and don't endorse his comments.
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Sensitivity training. What would Orwell say. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| it seems that they are protesting about the fact that society places the emphasis on the woman's responsibility not to get raped, rather than on people not to rape. |
A cop was giving advice on how to avoid becoming a target. He told women that they should watch their behavior, and they went wild. That's what they're protesting.
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| Most rapists do not rape because they want to have sex, rather it is about power. |
Of the silly things leftists believe, this is near #1.
Read chapter 18 in The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Pinker:
http://tinyurl.com/66qmp85 |
Oh dear we are a brick wall aren't we! Try working in an organisation in which you work with rape victims, listen to their stories, talk to the police about the cases they've worked on and maybe you might get a better understanding of the issue.
Quite frankly, this will be my last comment on the issue as I have no wish to engage in a dialogue with such a misogynist, who has also shown in other threads that he believes in racial superiority. |
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