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Anyone doing Paleo/Caveman/Hunter-Gatherer Diet?
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gyopochris



Joined: 05 Apr 2011
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally I thought this was a joke! I never heard of this diet!
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gyopochris wrote:
Originally I thought this was a joke! I never heard of this diet!

Have you been living in a cave? If so, you're ahead of the game.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:

But you are taking Vit D supplements already.

Thanks for the summary of the article. Interesting, maybe, but mostly common sense.


True, I am taking it already. I have become a bit of a health, nutrition, fitness, and appropriately chosen supplement advocate primarily because of my own experiences of the past few months. And Dr. Mercola's very educational and inspirational work has played a fundamental role for me in providing me with the info and encouragement to make very fundamental and life-enhancing changes. Sure, there are some of his marketing efforts that I find a bit annoying, but quite frankly, I am able to ignore that and critically evaluate what he says, so the net value of my association with his teaching has been incredibly high. Still, I'll probably never buy some of his stuff like chocolate covered whey snack bars for $5 a pop. That's for the wealthy folks, not for me.

I am an older person (over 60, shall we say), and I had some chronic problems for a very long time and was starting to experience some additional worrisome symptoms of aging in spite of at least having the good sense to take Omega-3 for the past 10 years or so when I encountered his website last fall and all the good info available there.

Through nutritional changes (primarily the near elimination of grains and sugar from my diet - I use stevia for sweetening - and the choice of healthy fats like whole milk yogurt, butter, coconut, coconut oil for all my cooking, eggs, grass fed meat -- that's lamb since there is no grass fed beef in Korea, along with the many beneficial non-starchy veggies and particularly beneficial fruits like avocados), dedicating myself to a daily regimen of cardio and regular Peak 8 exercise along with every other day resistance training and regular stretching classes, along with well-chosen supplementation with Vitamin D at the top of the list followed by krill oil for Omega-3, and Astaxanthin I have been able to put aside many of the dangerous prescription drugs I was -- like most older people -- taking including Lipitor, blood pressure medicine, and others. And the results of my tests for all these conditions have been excellent without the dangerous meds anymore.

Also, I have suffered from insulin resistance for a long time (more than 20 years) and as I continue getting this deadly visceral (belly) fat under control, I have found it necessary to decrease considerably the meds I take to deal with that problem in order to avoid hypoglycemia.

So far, I've taken around 16 cm off of my pot belly since last Christmas and I still have about that much more to go to get it down to the healthy range. Interestingly, I've taken that many cm off my waist - measured at the bellybutton - without losing any weight. That's because my resistance training has helped me to add muscle mass and muscle - for the same volume - weights more than fat. Don't avoid adding muscle mass because it weighs more. In the long run it will help you a lot for several reasons. One, more muscles burns more calories even when you're at rest. Two, more muscle mass helps to produce stronger bones that won't fracture so easily and will help avoid the dreaded osteoporosis.

So, it isn't good to look for your success measurement in these circumstances from weight loss. (I stayed off the scales for 6 weeks to break that preoccupation.) It might not happen if you're adding muscle mass, but rather to look for your success measurement by measuring the waist at the bellybutton and watching that dangerous, unhealthy fat continually decrease.

So, while this has all been a big and necessary experiment for me and I've been somewhat skeptical about how much I could achieve by following these prescriptions, especially at my age, I have been happily surprised about how accurate his recommendations have been for my health improvement.

So, it is my excitement about seeing with my own eyes these amazing changes that make me such a promoter of gaining knowledge from Dr. Mercola's site. I don't care if no one ever buys any of his products. But I do care whether or not people find out a lot of life-saving, disease-preventing inspirational info that is available there. I've never seen a more thorough or inspirational site promoting these changes than his. Of course, I do come across many articles confirming many of the things I've learned there. More and more this info is making its way into the mainstream press even and that's a very good thing. You don't have to like his personality to benefit. I almost never watch his videos. The same info is available usually right underneath the video in written commentary form. I almost always prefer reading them to watching the video.

In modern, western culture and increasingly in all the developing nations that copy western culture, obesity (and all the diseases it promotes) is the new norm. Big Pharma loves it. But the rest of us should learn to resist it before it puts us on a long line of dangerous prescription drugs and then kills us. Resistance is NOT futile. It is life-saving. Unlike me, most of the readers on this site are 20-somethings, 30-somethings, 40-somethings, and even some 50-somethings. You younger folks may very likely not be experiencing the worst of the negative effects of bad choices regarding what you eat, how you exercise, and what supplements you use for some time to come, but nothing wrong with developing healthy habits now.

Though it's likely that I don't agree with everything these Paleo diet folks believe, it is also very likely that my dietary philosophy is much closer to theirs than it is to the modern western diet and unhealthily way of living.

I reckon I've given out a lot more personal info about myself than I really like doing even on an anonymous bulletin board. But I'm kind of pushing myself a bit beyond that concern because I believe that the info is so important that it makes me want to share my personal experience in implementing it to make so much progress in overcoming these health challenges.

BTW, I do actually like the idea of getting together sometime for a meal, but I'd prefer it if it was a place where you have the option of whether you want your meat cooked or not. I prefer mine cooked (very un-Paleo, I know) and I don't like to eat sushi.

Cheers.
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chungbukdo



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R. S. Refugee wrote:
\ I prefer mine cooked (very un-Paleo, I know) and I don't like to eat sushi.


Raw fish has nothing to do with being Paleo--it's just good taste.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
R. S. Refugee wrote:
\ I prefer mine cooked (very un-Paleo, I know) and I don't like to eat sushi.


Raw fish has nothing to do with being Paleo--it's just good taste.


I was thinking about other meat like raw beef which I think was discussed in an earlier post when I said I prefer mine cooked. I think that getting together for sushi was also discussed in one of the previous posts so, I was trying to cover that issue as well.

I like those Korean grilled meats they cook at your table that you roll up in a lettuce leaf and put fermented soy paste on just fine. Sam gip sal, I think it's called. I think that's pork. Naturally, I'll skip the rice. Very Happy
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chungbukdo



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Laughing
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bucheonleon



Joined: 04 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R. S. Refugee wrote:
Auslegung wrote:

I had never heard of stevia before, thanks for mentioning it.


To the best of my knowledge, stevia is not available in Korea. Here is my favorite form of it in powder packets. Goes well in coffee, tea, yogurt, sprinkling on strawberries, etc. I've never tried baking with it since I don't eat grains that much.
http://www.iherb.com/NuNaturals-NuStevia-White-Stevia-Powder-100-Packets/4703?at=0

This one costs $5.99. If you've never ordered from iHerb.com, you can get a $5 discount using this code: COC920. Then it would cost $0.99 plus shipping.

My favorite item I always order from them is Arrowhead Mills Organic Crunchy Peanut Butter.


I found stevia in Homeplus, just sitting there on the shelf. If anyone's interested, it's the La Festa Homeplus next to Lake Park in Ilsan. That was a month ago--can't guarantee it's still there, but I assume so.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

start each morning with a thick bowl of oats. microwave less than a cup of water for one minute. remove. add oats until they are moist. eat.
you won't be hungry until past dinner time. shuck off your cravings and you are well on the way.
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bucheonleon



Joined: 04 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone found WHOLE milk in Korea? Went to the same Homeplus a few days ago and found skim, low-fat, and "normal" (which seems to be 2%).

Checked the nutrition labels and thought I had found whole milk when I found one label with double the fat content. After further inspection, though, it turns out they just doubled the serving size to show double the fat.

So yeah, I checked every carton and bottle there, and it was all the same.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheonleon wrote:
Has anyone found WHOLE milk in Korea? Went to the same Homeplus a few days ago and found skim, low-fat, and "normal" (which seems to be 2%).

Checked the nutrition labels and thought I had found whole milk when I found one label with double the fat content. After further inspection, though, it turns out they just doubled the serving size to show double the fat.

So yeah, I checked every carton and bottle there, and it was all the same.


I thought I'd been buying whole milk since I decided to make that switch, but maybe I haven't. Seoul milk is the brand I've been buying. I'll have to look at the label more closely to see if it is the next time I buy some.

I don't actually drink milk. I use it to make yogurt, and the Seoul milk I've been buying makes incredibly thick, creamy yogurt unlike the watery stuff I used to get when I was using reduced fat milk.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheonleon wrote:

I found stevia in Homeplus, just sitting there on the shelf. If anyone's interested, it's the La Festa Homeplus next to Lake Park in Ilsan. That was a month ago--can't guarantee it's still there, but I assume so.


I go to that HomePlus. It's one of the few places I can find fresh coconuts. I never looked for stevia there, not surprisingly. I'll take a look the next time I make a coconut run.

That's interesting. And good to see. Many Koreans are interested in organic options as one can see by the organic sections at places like EMart. Unfortunately, the prices for organics are generally rather high here and limit options due to expense. Costco carries quite a bit of organic veggies at better prices.

The Japanese (from what I read about stevia on Wikipedia) use stevia quite a lot as a sweetener. I use two formulations. One is a packet with some other ingredients that pours out like a packet of sugar. It's called NuStevia and I get it from iHerb.com. The other one is a bottle with stevia, vegetable glycerin, and water (also from iHerb.com). It has a syrupy consistency. That one has a little bit of a bitter after taste, but I like it well enough too. And that one I also use on cuts or scratches for wound healing. Stevia has some good wound healing properties.

(As I so often mention, if you order something from iHerb.com, you can get a $5 discount on your first order with this discount code: COC920 )
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Triban



Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

R. S. Refugee wrote:


I like those Korean grilled meats they cook at your table that you roll up in a lettuce leaf and put fermented soy paste on just fine. Sam gip sal, I think it's called. I think that's pork. Naturally, I'll skip the rice. Very Happy


Dude...tell me you've only been here for less than a month. If not.....



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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that Paul Jaminet's version of paleo works best for me. It's really paleo + a few modern foods that he thinks are okay:

1) Avoid grains (except white rice).
2) Avoid legumes (except green beans and peas).
3) Dairy is okay (except milk).
4) Dark chocolate is good.
5) Fermented foods such as kimchi contain beneficial bacteria.
6) Most of the fat we consume should be saturated or monounsaturated fat. Too much polyunsaturated fat is linked to a lot of modern day health
problems.

I usually consume about 300 grams of beef or salmon each morning. I cook with coconut oil or macademia nut oil. I try to eat a lot of vegetables and some fruits. At one meal of the day I'll usually eat a few potatoes or something like a bowl of bibimbap. I find it easy to go several hours without eating and my energy levels remain stable. I can lose weight and it's easy to keep it off. I don't experience digestive problems such as diarrhea or acid reflux anymore.
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TexasChicken



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Paleo Diet Reply with quote

I tried a very similar diet about 6 months ago in like 2.5 months I lost 20 kgs. Shocked Shocked I decided to stop because I was beginning to look really gaunt. But yeah its extremely effective. And as the last poster said It completely resolved all stomach problems I had such as acid reflux, I was previously a TUMS addict ate 2 a day during the diet I never needed them.

T.C.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did humans start cooking food? Pretty soon we're going to see a paleo non-cooking diet. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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