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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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I don't have a 'source' for something that didn't happen in a future that didn't happen.
Maybe you missed it. You know that phrase you're using lately to be clever; Obama derangement syndrome? Well, people on your team where bloody hysterical for about 6 years. Had Mac won, they'd have gone completely off the deep end. |
I don't buy it.
Sure there were (and remain) some wacky lefties, but:
a) in the same numbers?
b) with a media platform with national exposure?
c) with members of Congress introducing legislation?
I don't even see any relevance to comparing Birthers to Truthers. As far as I could tell, the Truthers were just your run-of-the-mill knee-jerk anti-government types, not liberals. |
No, the Truthers were the Left's Birthers, although there were some arch-rightists mixed in that bunch.
Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance
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Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view. |
7-to-1 is just under 15% of Republicans believed or were not sure that Bush knew about the attacks in advance.
Note that more than half of Democrats either believed Bush knew about the attacks or weren't sure. In the year 2007.
And neither (B) nor (C) is true of the birthers: the GOP refuses to buy into the conspiracy. Although the Rasmussen poll shows with regards to (A) that a great many Democrats were sympathetic to Truthiness. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Ummm...your source is Rasmussen. Nice name, lousy polling group.
The poll does nothing to separate those who....ahhhh...go read Nate Silver on this. He can say it better than I can repeat it. He has shredded Rasmussen's reputation on this issue.
My impression (largely from the wackos on this site) is that there were a bunch of anti-government types with a few lefties thrown in just to confuse the issue. If anyone has a breakdown of the Truther mob, please post. Till then, I'll maintain they were the same idiots who think there are lizardmen living under the New Mexico desert trying hard to pass themselves off as Chinese soldiers waiting to take us all over by putting the good people in FEMA extermination camps. [I actually know and work with a South African who flat-out believes the Kalahari is riddled with tunnels and caves chock-full of Chinese soldiers just waiting to take over that country. ARRRRG.  ] I'll go to my grave believing the flakes on the right project their plans of what they'd love to do onto the innocent liberals. (You know it's true, Kuros. Only the right comes up with these bizarre things and then, Karl Rove-like, blames everyone else for thinking them up.)
The real issue here is that 20-whatever% of Republicans are Birthers and another whatever % have doubts, adding up to 58%. Tricky Dick and Ronnie Reagan's chickens are coming home to roost. As someone wiser and more perceptive than me said, "Not all conservatives are racists, but all racists are conservatives."
I'm just waiting for John Yoo to come out with a 'policy statement' about how a lawyer's most sacred duty is to endorse whatever a conservative president wants to do. Ummmm...actually he already has. The Authoritarian Right is scared...and armed to the teeth. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Chester Arthur was not native born and not legally qualified to be President. It was kept hushed up until after he left office or after he died. |
This is a controversial claim, very likely the result of over-heated campaign shenanigans.
Even Wikipedia is skeptical:
"There has long been speculation that the future president was actually born in Canada and that the family moved to Fairfield later. If Arthur had been born in Canada, a minority opinion is that he would not have been a natural-born citizen, even though his mother was a U.S. citizen, and would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president.[3] During the 1880 U.S. presidential election a New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, was hired to explore rumors of Arthur's foreign birth. Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old. When that story failed to take root Hinman came forth with a new story that Arthur was born in Canada. This claim also fell on deaf ears." |
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Arthur was born in Canada.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090816/ap_on_re_us/us_earlier_president_s_birthplace
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In 1998, the Ottawa (Ont.) Citizen newspaper published a story asserting Arthur was born in his grandparents' home in Dunham but "probably" appropriated the birth records of the dead brother.
"The great impostor, the ultimate spoilsman, has never been defrocked. Not bad for a Canadian, eh?" said the newspaper, which called Arthur "our man in Washington."
At the Chester A. Arthur Historic Site, which draws about 400 visitors a year despite its remote setting, the topic is the first thing on people's lips, said caretaker Shirley Paradee.
"That's usually pretty much the most-asked question � if he was born here or in Canada," she said. "And I don't really have an answer for that because there isn't anything, any proof anywhere, where he was born."
If anything, the display boards inside a two-room replica of the parsonage where Arthur spent some of his early years fan the controversy. One contains a quote from a "J.H. Corey" who asserted in 1881: "I am positive C.A. Arthur was born in Canada."
Another reads, "Today, in an era when virtually every detail of a politician's life is open to public view, there is no concrete proof of the location of President Arthur's birthplace. Records and recollections lend strong support to the claim that Arthur was born in Fairfield, Vt."
For his part, Dumville says Vermont is proud to call Arthur a native son. Until someone proves otherwise.
"There's no way to prove he was not born in Vermont. It's a little boosterism for Vermont, having a U.S. president born here," Dumville said. |
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mises
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42469716#42469716
What's Trump doing here. Apparently he's gonna run? |
He's strutting like a peacock , basking in the limelight and inflating his massive ego. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's all an ego trip, too, riding to 2nd place on name recognition only. As someone said, it speaks to the weakness of the field. Pat Buchanan thinks the weak numbers for Palin etc mean the Tea Party is getting ready to accept Romney. Interesting analysis. |
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Space Bar
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^ Note how the MSM continue to ignore Ron Paul's candidacy, despite his winning some straw polls already.
But I do agree with Donald on one thing: I, too, am becoming more, instead of less, skeptical about BO (if that's possible!) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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^ Note how the MSM continue to ignore Ron Paul's candidacy, despite his winning some straw polls already.
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A couple of weeks ago (so this may be old news) Rand said one of the two would run. Both dad and son have been spotted in Iowa. Neither seems to register in the polls. Just winning a straw poll in which you buy bus tickets for your 7 supporters so they can show up and vote does not always translate into support outside those seven.
I suspect it is the Daffy Duck voice and funny haircut that is holding Paul, Jr. back. (I doubt it is the flip flops that are affecting him much.) His/Their big problem right now is the Donald. There are only so many loons that the MSM has time to pay attention to and Trump has an even worse haircut than Rand. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect it is the Daffy Duck voice and funny haircut that is holding Paul, Jr. back. (I doubt it is the flip flops that are affecting him much.) His/Their big problem right now is the Donald. There are only so many loons that the MSM has time to pay attention to and Trump has an even worse haircut than Rand. |
Having practically no real understanding of politics (or reality for that matter), Ya-ta boy resorts to insulting the hair style of political figures he thinks he disagrees with... As if there was any doubt about the Obamanoids having their priorities in check  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No, the Truthers were the Left's Birthers, |
Right there's the money quote.
Great comparison. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect it is the Daffy Duck voice and funny haircut that is holding Paul, Jr. back. (I doubt it is the flip flops that are affecting him much.) His/Their big problem right now is the Donald. There are only so many loons that the MSM has time to pay attention to and Trump has an even worse haircut than Rand. |
Having practically no real understanding of politics (or reality for that matter), Ya-ta boy resorts to insulting the hair style of political figures he thinks he disagrees with... As if there was any doubt about the Obamanoids having their priorities in check |
It's either that, or admit that that history/poli sci degree and all he's studied since has been pretty much worthless.
Yat, this is for you. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect it is the Daffy Duck voice and funny haircut that is holding Paul, Jr. back. (I doubt it is the flip flops that are affecting him much.) His/Their big problem right now is the Donald. There are only so many loons that the MSM has time to pay attention to and Trump has an even worse haircut than Rand. |
Having practically no real understanding of politics (or reality for that matter), Ya-ta boy resorts to insulting the hair style of political figures he thinks he disagrees with... As if there was any doubt about the Obamanoids having their priorities in check |
You have my sympathy. You really do. I would feel pretty down if my political philosophy were to be trumped  by possibly the worst haircut in the entire Western world. Yes, I realize I'm exaggerating. You do have Michelle Bachmann and Sharron Angle and their ilk on your side, too. That must be a comfort on a cold night. As my sainted old mother used to say, "You are judged by the company you keep." |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect it is the Daffy Duck voice and funny haircut that is holding Paul, Jr. back. (I doubt it is the flip flops that are affecting him much.) His/Their big problem right now is the Donald. There are only so many loons that the MSM has time to pay attention to and Trump has an even worse haircut than Rand. |
Having practically no real understanding of politics (or reality for that matter), Ya-ta boy resorts to insulting the hair style of political figures he thinks he disagrees with... As if there was any doubt about the Obamanoids having their priorities in check |
You have my sympathy. You really do. I would feel pretty down if my political philosophy were to be trumped by possibly the worst haircut in the entire Western world. Yes, I realize I'm exaggerating. You do have Michelle Bachmann and Sharron Angle and their ilk on your side, too. That must be a comfort on a cold night. As my sainted old mother used to say, "You are judged by the company you keep." |
I wouldn't vote for Donald Trump even if he had his entire scalp (and full head of hair) transplanted from [insert favorite celebrity here] and had the coolest, trendiest hairdo of all time. Because unlike some people, I'm not so vacuous and shallow as to base my judgment of a potential leader's capabilities on such total irrelevancies. But I'm guessing you just voted for Mr. Soetoro because he has such a captivating pair of ears? |
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