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mises
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| Swearing should be illegal? How about the middle finger? Furrowed brows? Is Germany run by uber-betas? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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There is a difference between expressing an opinion and simply being abusive. For instance, here in Germany you are not allowed to swear at another person....it is illegal and quite rightly so as it is simply threatening speech and nothing to do with expressing an opinion. |
Where do you draw the line between abusive and offensive?
"I think Germans are all beer-swilling swine."
Abusive or offensive? In what contexts? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| My friends and I swear at each other all the time. We'd be arrested for doing that if we were in Germany? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: |
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This is the feminist end game right here. Men behaving like this. |
I have to say, I know a few feminists who would be decidedly unimpressed with the religious overtones in that video. All the talk about "the divine feminine", "worshipping each other through our bodies", and women being more compassionate and peaceful than men. They would see that as dangerously essentialist, basically the patriarchal view of women reiterated as a feminist ideal.
Plus, they would probably just laugh at the mawkish emotionalism of it all. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| My friends and I swear at each other all the time. We'd be arrested for doing that if we were in Germany? |
Just imagine after a few beers... |
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English Matt
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| It's illegal to swear in an altercation. Messing around with friends is different. My point was that being abusive for the sake of being abusive is rather different to expressing an opinion that others may not like to hear or find offensive. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| English Matt wrote: |
There is a difference between expressing an opinion and simply being abusive. For instance, here in Germany you are not allowed to swear at another person....it is illegal and quite rightly so as it is simply threatening speech and nothing to do with expressing an opinion. |
Where do you draw the line between abusive and offensive?
"I think Germans are all beer-swilling swine."
Abusive or offensive? In what contexts? |
or just simply ignorant. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| My friends and I swear at each other all the time. We'd be arrested for doing that if we were in Germany? |
If you started being abusive to a local then yes. Try swearing at a cop in the UK and see how long it takes for them to arrest you. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| My friends and I swear at each other all the time. We'd be arrested for doing that if we were in Germany? |
If you started being abusive to a local then yes. Try swearing at a cop in the UK and see how long it takes for them to arrest you. |
Unlike morality, you can legislate civility. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
This is the feminist end game right here. Men behaving like this. |
I have to say, I know a few feminists who would be decidedly unimpressed with the religious overtones in that video. |
Many women as individuals who happen to call themselves "feminists" are completely reasonable (we all have at least one example of this in the original post in this thread). Those women have lost the war for the spirit of the movement, so I think they'd just be better off calling themselves something else (or, alternatively, start doing a much better job with regards to the internal struggles for the identity of the movement, but I don't see that happening; fanatics will always fight to end, while reasonable people are inclined to just walk away).
Mind you also, my comment had more to do with the attitude the men in the video were displaying than their language; the behavior of the men in this video, and (for example) offices across the nation demanding their workers take "sensitivity training" so as to avoid upsetting their oh-so-delicate female staff, and (as another example) child support and divorce laws which essentially amount to the woman being able to divorce the man without giving up the material life-style being his wife allowed, are simply different outward expressions of the same thing: male subjugation to female demands of how the world should be. If your feminist buddies oppose those things, good for them. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| My younger brother got a ticket in America for swearing at a woman in public. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
| It's illegal to swear in an altercation. Messing around with friends is different. My point was that being abusive for the sake of being abusive is rather different to expressing an opinion that others may not like to hear or find offensive. |
The line is threatening. Threatening speech is not protected, not anywhere, AFAIK. I suppose that's what you mean by abusive.
I chose the insult about Germans not out of ignorance or any real malice, but to show something offensive, even provocative, but not threatening. |
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