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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| reft4268 wrote: |
| Venting on facebook is never a great idea anyway. Do you really want to read when other people whine about their day? |
One of my friends airs his grievances in some of the funniest ways imaginable. Again, like me, it's on a separate account. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Slowmotion wrote: |
| Simple solution: Don't add your students (or coworkers) |
yeah, i have NEVER added a student. Ill talk with them but my fb has absolutely no Koreans on it. Better a bit outcasted than sorry. All kinds of
chance for misunderstandings there. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| As ZIFA said, this is indicative of the clanish mentality which prevails in this country and prevents Korea from developing an environment where new ideas can be fielded and developed in a progressive manner. |
I've found that similar things can be said for a lot of countries- even in europe- but I would get slammed as a "generalising bigot" if I started to name them.
Like you say..some countries developed cultures that were condusive to ingenuity, free thinking, individuality...invention and advancement. Korea is not one of them, its a recent copycat emulator. However I don't think churches have had any negative effect in this regard. If anything it is countries of christian heritage that have developed the most. Its really ...just about eastern culture. |
The Enlightenment was very much a reaction against the stranglehold that the Church had had on people's minds during the Medieval period. A lot of people (i.e. Galileo) had to be put down/excommunicated as 'heretics' before anything progressive could be put into place. Some research suggests that progressive scientific thinking was encouraged after Marco Polo came back and reported on the splendours and ingenuity of China (which in the 13th c. was indeed aeons ahead in agriculture, military artillery, paper/printing technology, navigational instruments, economic sophistication and general prosperity).
Controversy over heliocentrism: Galileo affair
Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.[46]
Galileo defended heliocentrism, and claimed it was not contrary to those Scripture passages. He took Augustine's position on Scripture: not to take every passage literally, particularly when the scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history. He believed that the writers of the Scripture merely wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world, from that vantage point that the sun does rise and set. Another way to put this is that the writers would have been writing from a phenomenological point of view, or style.
Galileo was ordered to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633. The sentence of the Inquisition was in three essential parts:
Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[50]
He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[51] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.[i]His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.[52]The Grand Duke of Tuscany, Ferdinando II, wished to bury him in the main body of the Basilica of Santa Croce, next to the tombs of his father and other ancestors, and to erect a marble mausoleum in his honour.[58] These plans were scrapped, however, after Pope Urban VIII and his nephew, Cardinal Francesco Barberini, protested,[59] because Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church for "vehement suspicion of heresy".[60] He was instead buried in a small room next to the novices' chapel at the end of a corridor from the southern transept of the basilica to the sacristy.[61][/i]
A large part of Korean Christianity consists of a literal translation of the Bible, in other words the very approach that people like Galileo had to work around 400 years ago. If you query your typical Korean churchgoer about the validity of his/her belief system, he/she will invariably fall back on the "because it says so in the Bible" dogma. Politicians and business leaders here love this because it helps in enabling them to determine the shape of Korean society, as independant/critical thinking processes are undermined. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
Just apologize, give them a cake and leave it be. You have 6 more months. I have 11   |
Absolutely DO NOT buy them a cake. They're ignoring you? Cool. Wear some headphones and let it ride out. They don't like you; what, are you going to beg for their friendship? Have some self-respect!  |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| PastorYoon wrote: |
| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| Just apologize, give them a cake and leave it be. You have 6 more months. I have 11 |
Absolutely DO NOT buy them a cake. They're ignoring you? Cool. Wear some headphones and let it ride out. They don't like you; what, are you going to beg for their friendship? Have some self-respect! |
Okay some people told me to buy them a cake and others told me to ride it out. I'm kind of confused right now. I need some more help guys. What is the best option right now. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I went through 8 months of being ignored by my Ko-teachers. Luckily, I desired no friendship with those people. I even re-signed and finished another year there. I just ignored them, too. It's not a job requirement to be friends with the Korean teachers. I think you're underestimating the value of silence. |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| PastorYoon wrote: |
| I went through 8 months of being ignored by my Ko-teachers. Luckily, I desired no friendship with those people. I even re-signed and finished another year there. I just ignored them, too. It's not a job requirement to be friends with the Korean teachers. I think you're underestimating the value of silence. |
Didn't they give you a bad review on your performance test, so therefore you couldn't renew? I kind of want to stay here for a second year. So therefore, I need a good review. But then again, I might follow your route and ignore them. |
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Artris
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| hondaicivic wrote: |
Okay some people told me to buy them a cake and others told me to ride it out. I'm kind of confused right now. I need some more help guys. What is the best option right now. |
If you want to keep some measure of self respect and while returning to a friendly work environment you should approach the person you are having trouble with and talk to her. Preface with an apology, but at the same time explain exactly what she did that caused your opinion of her in the first place.
You are only apologizing for the public name calling. Let's face it, calling someone a bitch on facebook is childish. Be firm on why you said what you did, and ask her what the two of you can do to settle this. Depending on who it is and what she did to set you off, you will either make things awkward, worse, or better.
Also delete your facebook account. I suspect it will only get you into more trouble in the future. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The school was in the middle of nowhere. Prior to me coming to the school, they couldn't get any teachers to stay for longer than 2 weeks. They paid me well, too. I heard that the Ko-teachers were complaining about me, so I had a Korean person write a letter to the owner about all of their BS. It helped. They hated me more, but I didn't care, and was vindicated. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| hondaicivic wrote: |
| PastorYoon wrote: |
| I went through 8 months of being ignored by my Ko-teachers. Luckily, I desired no friendship with those people. I even re-signed and finished another year there. I just ignored them, too. It's not a job requirement to be friends with the Korean teachers. I think you're underestimating the value of silence. |
Didn't they give you a bad review on your performance test, so therefore you couldn't renew? I kind of want to stay here for a second year. So therefore, I need a good review. But then again, I might follow your route and ignore them. |
I understand you've probably made some good relationships and have settled into how your school does things. Still, you might consider checking out other schools, I know I've been pleasantly surprised when I've ventured outside of a situation that's turned bad. You would also be empowering yourself to take hold of things, rather than allowing their shenanigans to hold any sway over you, which would lead them to view you as a strong person and possibly more than worthy to be re-signed. And if not?- screw'em, they shouldn't have got up to what they did, and later they'll know they lost a quality person (I'm assuming here you haven't been blowing off your job and have been as diligent and entertaining as your posts in the classroom). |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard that the replacement is making much less money than I was, which is sad. I imagine they are all being total bastards to him, too. I just made sure I was firm about my contract. They tried to take advantage of me there, but I didn't let them. I can only say that the owner was trying to test me to see what he could get away with, but respected the fact that I told him I can't bend on certain things. Maybe I was only able to get away with this because NO other teachers were willing to replace me at the time? I don't know. That's just my guess. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| legrande wrote: |
| hondaicivic wrote: |
| PastorYoon wrote: |
| I went through 8 months of being ignored by my Ko-teachers. Luckily, I desired no friendship with those people. I even re-signed and finished another year there. I just ignored them, too. It's not a job requirement to be friends with the Korean teachers. I think you're underestimating the value of silence. |
Didn't they give you a bad review on your performance test, so therefore you couldn't renew? I kind of want to stay here for a second year. So therefore, I need a good review. But then again, I might follow your route and ignore them. |
I understand you've probably made some good relationships and have settled into how your school does things. Still, you might consider checking out other schools, I know I've been pleasantly surprised when I've ventured outside of a situation that's turned bad. You would also be empowering yourself to take hold of things, rather than allowing their shenanigans to hold any sway over you, which would lead them to view you as a strong person and possibly more than worthy to be re-signed. And if not?- screw'em, they shouldn't have got up to what they did, and later they'll know they lost a quality person (I'm assuming here you haven't been blowing off your job and have been as diligent and entertaining as your posts in the classroom). |
This is good advice. Also, use any situation in your favor to bargain for the release letter. Get creative with the release letter and airfare. That's my best advice. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, OP, how did it come to your attention that they knew what you posted on FB? |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Artris wrote: |
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Okay some people told me to buy them a cake and others told me to ride it out. I'm kind of confused right now. I need some more help guys. What is the best option right now. |
If you want to keep some measure of self respect and while returning to a friendly work environment you should approach the person you are having trouble with and talk to her. Preface with an apology, but at the same time explain exactly what she did that caused your opinion of her in the first place.
You are only apologizing for the public name calling. Let's face it, calling someone a bitch on facebook is childish. Be firm on why you said what you did, and ask her what the two of you can do to settle this. Depending on who it is and what she did to set you off, you will either make things awkward, worse, or better.
Also delete your facebook account. I suspect it will only get you into more trouble in the future. |
This I agree with.
What Pastor Yoon said blew what I meant way out of context. You should try to normalize relations with them to make the rest of the year tolerable. Even if it means a talk with the one affected, an apology, then back to business as usual  |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way, OP, how did it come to your attention that they knew what you posted on FB? |
Because they confronted me about it.... |
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