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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Actually Macarthur was removed because of his communications with political figures in Europe regarding U.S. strategy. He overstepped his bounds. The joint chiefs had tried to have him removed a year earlier, Truman held on to him and Mac tried to stab him in the back. Mao would never have gotten involved but he thought he had Stalins promise to help. Stalin was more concerned with Eastern Europe and Greece. The British were also tired of the war and were more concerned about Europe and they were leaving and the U.S. did not want to go it alone. |
Yeah, he did what he did and in the end got himself dismissed. The allies created the whole mess to begin with. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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"You're good teachers. You really seem to care. About what I have no idea."
Sorry, just had to throw that line out there given the topic of conversation. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah the allies did it. Kim Il Sung, Mao and Stalin had nothing to do with it. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| yeah the allies did it. Kim Il Sung, Mao and Stalin had nothing to do with it. |
Can you comprehend the concept of cause and effect? Apparently not, as this is like the billionth time that you have failed to come up with anything that contradicts the documented evidence. More importantly, can you read? This is posted on the previous page. You come off as just an uncomprehending house pet who keeps crapping in the same spot.
At the Potsdam Conference (July�August 1945), the Allies unilaterally decided to divide Korea�without consulting the Koreans�in contradiction of the Cairo Conference.[39]:24[47]:24�5[61]:25[62]
On 8 September 1945, Lt. Gen. John R. Hodge of the United States arrived in Incheon to accept the Japanese surrender south of the 38th parallel.[47] Appointed as military governor, General Hodge directly controlled South Korea via the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK 1945�4.[63]:63 He established control by restoring to power the key Japanese colonial administrators and their Korean police collaborators.[31] The USAMGIK refused to recognise the provisional government of the short-lived People's Republic of Korea (PRK) because he suspected it was communist. These policies, voiding popular Korean sovereignty, provoked civil insurrections and guerrilla warfare.[40] On 3 September 1945, Lieutenant General Yoshio Kozuki, Commander, Japanese Seventeenth Area Army, contacted Hodge, telling him that the Soviets were south of the 38th parallel at Kaesong. Hodge trusted the accuracy of the Japanese Army report.[47] |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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You are frothing again!! What were the Soviets who were part of the allies doing in Korea at that time? How did the fact that Kim wiped out the anti-Japanese resistance in the North affect decisions that were made. Did Hodge have Korean translators at that time?
Documented by who and for what purpose? Oh well carry on the froth. As suggested go rant and rave at the G.I.'s . |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: |
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You are frothing again!! What were the Soviets who were part of the allies doing in Korea at that time? How did the fact that Kim wiped out the anti-Japanese resistance in the North affect decisions that were made. Did Hodge have Korean translators at that time?
Documented by who and for what purpose? Oh well carry on the froth. As suggested go rant and rave at the G.I.'s . |
Legrande placidly accepts Mao-era Chinese casualty statistics. What more is there to argue? |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
You are frothing again!! What were the Soviets who were part of the allies doing in Korea at that time? How did the fact that Kim wiped out the anti-Japanese resistance in the North affect decisions that were made. Did Hodge have Korean translators at that time?
Documented by who and for what purpose? Oh well carry on the froth. As suggested go rant and rave at the G.I.'s . |
Legrande placidly accepts Mao-era Chinese casualty statistics. What more is there to argue? |
Predictable response. Please show me where I said anything remotely indicating I believe the Chinese stats. Predictable in the sense that you missed the whole point, which was that both sides will exaggerate and give different stats (duh), so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. To refresh your dim memory-
Consider also the source for war caualty figures.
Casualties
According to the data from the US Department of Defense, the United States had suffered 33,686 battle deaths, along with 2,830 non-battle deaths during the Korean War and 8,176 missing in action.[125] Western sources estimate the PVA had suffered between 100,000 to 1,500,000 deaths (most estimate some 400,000 killed), while the KPA had suffered between 214,000 to 520,000 deaths (most estimate some 500,000). Between some 245,000 to 415,000 South Korean civilian deaths were also suggested, and the entire civilian casualty during the war were estimated from 1,500,000 to 3,000,000 (most sources estimate some 2,000,000 killed).[126]
Data from official Chinese sources, on the other hand, reported that the PVA had suffered 114,000 battle deaths, 34,000 non-battle deaths, 340,000 wounded, 7,600 missing and 21,400 captured during the war. Chinese sources also reported that North Korea had suffered 290,000 casualties, 90,000 captured and a "large" number of civilian deaths.[127] In return, the Chinese and North Koreans estimated that about 390,000 soldiers from United States, 660,000 soldiers from South Korea and 29,000 other UN soldiers were "eliminated" from the battlefield.[127
From this you extrapolate that I believe the Chinese stats. You are dimmer than I thought. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Predictable in the sense that you missed the whole point, which was that both sides will exaggerate and give different stats (duh), so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. |
I estimate that that post took you 2 seconds to write. So, take however long it actually took, and then lets split the difference and meet in the middle, okay? |
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