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nick9topanga
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
Location: Los Angeles
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 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:18 am Post subject: Who are some of the best recruiters |
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| I've been trying to find out which recruiters have the best reputations, any suggestions. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Tip: Don't use only one recruiter.
Don't tell the other recruiters you are using more than one!
There is no such thing as a reputable recruiter. None of them are in this for you. They work for the school. They are not on your team. Full stop, period. If they can convince you to work for 400$/month, they will.
You have to learn to play they game if you don't want to get screwed. |
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amf826
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| I heard that if you are applying for an EPIK job, you cannot use multiple recruiters. If EPIK sees you in the system twice, they will automatically toss your application. But for private, I think it is better to use more than one. I'm only using one since I'm only applying to EPIK/SMOE, but that may change if things don't work out. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Can you apply to both EPIK and GEPIK? Do you need to use the same recruiter if you are applying for both? |
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HANGRY
Joined: 04 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: |
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This is a question I've wondered a lot about and the answer I found is this, simply put:
EPIK: Use one recruiter (or the government website)
GEPIK: Use the same recruiter or another recruiter. You can also use different recruiters for different positions (that pop up on job boards). Just don't try applying to the same job through two different recruiters.
If I'm wrong somebody please correct. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
| Can you apply to both EPIK and GEPIK? Do you need to use the same recruiter if you are applying for both? |
Yes. They are different programs. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Who are some of the best recruiters |
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| nick9topanga wrote: |
| I've been trying to find out which recruiters have the best reputations, any suggestions. |
You can run a search.
I used ESL-Planet.
I was considering Footprints or Korvia, too.
I'd gotten those from running a search on this site and just tallied the ones that got the most positive reviews.
ESL-Planet wasn't bad, but the recruiter himself is located in Australia (office is in Seoul, though). But he got me a good school (before the administration changed, but that's not the recruiter's fault).
I liked the guy. I've been in the field a little while so he was pretty much no-nonsense with me.
if that helps... |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're going with EPIK, I highly recommend Alistair at Korean Horizons. He doesn't just drop and leave you. He follows up with you throughout the year. He even helped me when I wanted to renew and the education office was taking their time in letting me know. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Who are some of the best recruiters |
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| nick9topanga wrote: |
| I've been trying to find out which recruiters have the best reputations, any suggestions. |
they are all good and they are all bad
Search yourself and you have access to perhaps 20-50 potential employers who may be able to actually READ your resume and perhaps can get you through the visa confirmation process (not always easy for 1st time applicants).
Use 20 recruiters and that number jumps up into the many hundreds or potentially over 1000 jobs, even if the employer himself doesn't speak English (lots of hagwan jobs, MOST private placement PS jobs and virtually ALL private K-12 jobs fall into this category).
The problem lies in the fact that most people do NOT understand the role of the recruiter.
They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find. Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.
They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).
They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.
After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).
If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).
A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)
I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).
| ttompatz wrote: |
For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.
That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.
ALL recruiters are good. All recruiters are bad.
BUT they are a bridge to a job that you would not otherwise find.
The trick is in understanding what they are and what they do.
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Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares where they are from or where they are based?
A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.
Unless you have an extensive network of friends and/or colleagues in your target country OR can read/write and speak the local language and can apply directly they are a necessary evil.
REPEAT: A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.
Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr Hakwon owner.
Mr. hakwon owner, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.
-You are not paying them anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get here.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get here.
Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.
Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.
Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.
Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.
When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.
1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...
The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.
No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.
Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.
ONE CAVEAT: if it is a public school there may not be a Native English Speaker to talk to but there is a chain of command OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL (your POE liaison) if you have problems and they are more strict in following the terms of the contract.
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| I've heard that Orange Stephen guy is pretty darn good. But they're all pretty helpful, aren't they? |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Just don't use Stephen Cho or Testimony Kim. |
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