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GEPIK: I'm not allowed to work at a lower pay grade?
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HANGRY



Joined: 04 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: GEPIK: I'm not allowed to work at a lower pay grade? Reply with quote

I'm trying to get a PS job at a specific city in Gyeonggi. There was a posting that offered a job for 2.0-2.1 million, so I contact the recruiter about it. The recruiter sends me an email stating that my qualifications are too high, and my pay would be too expensive for this school (I technically qualify for category 2+).

I really want to work in this city, so I tell the recruiter I would be willing to work for a lower pay grade if I got to know the details. It's only .1 mill won difference, and I wouldn't miss it if the job is alright. Plus, I have zero years of full-time teaching experience and its my first year, so I'm just trying to get my foot in the door here.

I get a reply back, and according to the recruiter: I can't work at a lower pay grade because GEPIK doesn't have the budget for it.

This doesn't really make sense to me: I can't work at lower pay, because GEPIK can't afford to pay me lower pay?

Is it just me or is this bullshit? Time to find another recruiter?
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who knows. Ask another recruiter and you may get a different answer.

I personally would never voluntarily take lower pay. No budget? That's the part I wouoldn't believe. They have plenty. After the principal takes his cut, maybe not.
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Hello



Joined: 25 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
...No budget? That's the part I wouoldn't believe. They have plenty.


I heard/read that kind of comment many times, but I doubt it reflects reality. Unless someone can come up with some proof, I believe it's just a rhumour that's been going on for while.

On the other hand, I can tell you that this year, for example, my ex-school in Gyeonggi province got about a third of the budget they usually got for English, so I believe what the OP was told can easily be true.

I worked for less before and I know others who did it or are still doing it, but what we all have/had in common is that we got extra free time for it.

Also, if you get a nice job for 100,000 won less or a crappy job for a 100,000 more, I don't know about you, but I'd take the better one with less pay just so I can keep my sanity. A bad job in Korea, no matter what the salary, remains a bad job... or gets worse with time.

OP, I sent you a PM.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The number I have heard is 50 million won a year for a teacher. That is well enough to pay a teacher a fair wage, housing, severance, and the like. Also English teaching supplies. If a principal says there is no more money, that is a lie.

Hello wrote:
BoholDiver wrote:
...No budget? That's the part I wouoldn't believe. They have plenty.


I heard/read that kind of comment many times, but I doubt it reflects reality. Unless someone can come up with some proof, I believe it's just a rhumour that's been going on for while.

On the other hand, I can tell you that this year, for example, my ex-school in Gyeonggi province got about a third of the budget they usually got for English, so I believe what the OP was told can easily be true.

I worked for less before and I know others who did it or are still doing it, but what we all have/had in common is that we got extra free time for it.

Also, if you get a nice job for 100,000 won less or a crappy job for a 100,000 more, I don't know about you, but I'd take the better one with less pay just so I can keep my sanity. A bad job in Korea, no matter what the salary, remains a bad job... or gets worse with time.

OP, I sent you a PM.
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itistime



Joined: 23 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they just don't want to tell you that they think you are ugz.
Maybe you're not.

Seems like the excuse was BS to me.
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busanliving



Joined: 29 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it so you dont demand a higher pay later in line with the pay scales?
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HANGRY



Joined: 04 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if they have the budget or not, I still don't get that they wouldn't hire me when I'm willing to take a pay cut. Wouldn't GEPIK be itching to take a more qualified teacher for less pay?

And if they are worried about me going up on the pay scale later, in one year's time I would qualify for a higher pay any ways. No matter which way you look at it, it doesn't make sense.

itistime wrote:
Maybe they just don't want to tell you that they think you are ugz.
Maybe you're not.

Seems like the excuse was BS to me.


lol It's possible, but they should of came up with a better excuse than that.

I guess if you are going to deal with a lying recruiter, its better to deal with one that lies poorly.
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HANGRY wrote:
Even if they have the budget or not, I still don't get that they wouldn't hire me when I'm willing to take a pay cut. Wouldn't GEPIK be itching to take a more qualified teacher for less pay?

And if they are worried about me going up on the pay scale later, in one year's time I would qualify for a higher pay any ways. No matter which way you look at it, it doesn't make sense.

itistime wrote:
Maybe they just don't want to tell you that they think you are ugz.
Maybe you're not.

Seems like the excuse was BS to me.


lol It's possible, but they should of came up with a better excuse than that.

I guess if you are going to deal with a lying recruiter, its better to deal with one that lies poorly.


I'm sure the hagwons will happily take you for less Wink
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which city are you applying for, OP?
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Hello



Joined: 25 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
The number I have heard is 50 million won a year for a teacher. That is well enough to pay a teacher a fair wage, housing, severance, and the like. Also English teaching supplies. If a principal says there is no more money, that is a lie.

The number you heard seems right to me. My school used to get 48 million. They knew they would get less this year and expected about 35 ... but they only received 16 for this year. It's possible they get more later, but for now that's all they got. Many schools in Gyeonggi province are getting a lot less this year.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where have you guys been? The budget for English education has been cut at pretty much every level. The national government cut what it gives to the POE's. The POE for Seoul and Gyeonggi cut the English budget specifically so they could give free lunches to the students.

Seriously. Read the newspapers, it's been in all of them since LAST SUMMER when the election and budget cuts started.

Then, if you're part of GEPIK, at their crap training sessions, they gave everyone a nice long talk about how you won't lose your job if you're at the top of the pay scale, that you are secure. Then those that were at the top were let go shortly thereafter/told that their position would not be funded next year.

Also, many of us are paid from grants from the cities we live in. Since ALL budgets for everything have been tightened, that means there is less money from the cities for grants for NET's.

Long story short, OP, it's probably not BS. Budgets are tight and you're overqualified. They probably won't take you because they follow a province wide policy, so they don't have the discretion to let you take a paycut (which, IMO, is good - don't give them ideas that it's okay to work for less than you're worth; they'll try to push that crap on all of us!).

Just keep looking, something will open up. Also, be aware that GEPIK is attempting to ONLY hire during March and September, so if you're not in now, you won't get in until September.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP- I'd aim for anytime starting in May- they stop hiring in mid June this year.

nathan- I'd call BS on all those newspaper reports claim money going to free lunch yet they also say there is money to send K-teachers abroad Confused

Just a phase out.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have zero years of full-time teaching experience and its my first year


Quote:
The recruiter sends me an email stating that my qualifications are too high


Need to get the facts straight. Which is it? Overqualified or Rookie? Can't have both.

It's the recruiter's job to negotiate a lower salary for their client (the school).
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Quote:
I have zero years of full-time teaching experience and its my first year


Quote:
The recruiter sends me an email stating that my qualifications are too high


Need to get the facts straight. Which is it? Overqualified or Rookie? Can't have both.

It's the recruiter's job to negotiate a lower salary for their client (the school).


Could be the OP has an MA, BA in English or Education.

Still right about the recruiter, however. Get another one!
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AustSaint



Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Location: Yongmun

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard the same story quite a few times looking for a job this time around. They will not allow you to go for less pay, red tape and bureaucracy seem to be the reasons I got.
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