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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Spot on and in my humble opinion the best reply of the thread and dead on target. I think many foreign teachers dislike the military soldiers because 99% of their day when they are not around soldiers, they feel like they are an alpha male in their job, circle of friends, ELSLer bar..etc, etc, but then get bumped down a notch when around soldiers. |
Alpha Male English Teachers?
Isn't teaching generally regarded as a job for women?
Actually, I think there is some truth in the idea, though...
A lot, but not all, career teachers (especially the 'visiting professors', cough cough) can have a pretty inflated sense of self. In their classrooms they're #1.
But when they step out of their classroom, they quickly find that society doesn't respect them very much, and in the case of Korea they're often regarded as losers whose incomes put them on par with bus drivers.
So there's a real disconnect between their self-perception and the way society (and this would include soldiers), actually perceives them.
It's one reason why a lot of teachers have such visible "issues"... to put it mildly. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I have honestly never seen a fight between a GI and an English teacher. Not saying they don't happen, but it's more rare than people think. I have also never had a GI talk shit to me or anyone in my group. However I have been warned about GI's and their behavior countless times. I have seen many fights between teachers and have seen quite a few gypos try and act hard in Hongdae. Maybe I just don't go to the right places. I guess I could see in happening in some place like Tin Pan or one of the Itaewon bars that have ladies night. But I call bullshit on the whole thing. GI's are just a boogie man for new English teachers. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Threads like this are amazing. It's incredible to see the level of absolute ignorance displayed about members of the military and foreign English teachers here. Seriously, people. Take a look at what you've posted in this thread. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Threads like this are amazing. It's incredible to see the level of absolute ignorance displayed about members of the military and foreign English teachers here. Seriously, people. Take a look at what you've posted in this thread. |
This is why Dave's is so awesome. It's a laugh a minute.
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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It could simply be that Military personnel who are coming back from tours of Iraq don't respect anyone who doesn't have a combat patch on their uniform.
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the level-headed soldiers I have talked agree that it's a couple of things: Lack of women, causing a huge testosterone whirlpool, the general idiocy and low IQ of people that join the military, and the contempt they have for people that didn't screw up in high school, people who were smart and wise enough to go to college and are now living the easy life while they're in what amounts to nothing more than a voluntary prison on some futuristic colony planet where you can sometimes get killed
In essence? Most of them are manly-men with chips on their shoulders and low IQs.
I think that about sums it up. |
You obviously do not know the amount of pay military members make. Even the junior boots probably make more per year than you. |
Really? I google'd a bit and found that they probably make about as much money as English teachers do after about ten years of service. The thing is, they eat for free and don't have to spend their money as often which means they probably save more.
They also work a lot harder than we do in poorer conditions (generally). |
I think you should google a bit more. One of my good buddies was a Marine for 6 years and left making 75k a year, plus undergrad paid for, as too is his top 15 global MBA. Yes, enlisted soldiers are relatively uneducated but officers all have the same degrees as ESL teachers but have ZERO debt.
I also got crap from tons of Canadians for being American. This is probably a shot in the dark but maybe stop with USA bashing a bit. I would not think it wise, or appropriate to talk poorly about a nation to someone who signed up willing to DIE for it. Freedom of speech is great but sometimes it best to just shut up and move on. It pissed me off personally but unlike them I dont have my a$$ on the line.
In 2 years I had 1 run in with a soldier who was discharged. The other problems I saw were only when GIs would roll in to a non military bar and make it one. This sucks but screw it, move on. Most Korean bar owners I know would rather have a steady ESL drunk crew in anyway. |
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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I also got crap from tons of Canadians for being American. |
I've never understood this since Canada just copies everything America does. This is biting the hand that feeds you. I don't ever wanna hear a Canadian say anything about Koreans having an inferiority complex or talk about how Korea will never be a world power either. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, they only focus on big industry, which is exactly my point- money for the big boys, and only the big boys. |
Except along the way they lifted millions out of poverty and into a middle-class lifestyle by employing them in those industries. The people working in Ulsan and Pohang experienced something similar to those in Detroit and Flint in the early 20th century.
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| They don't even teach their people what a thesis statement is in school, that would be encouraging too much intellectual independance. |
Really? Yuu know the school curriculum and what is taught that well? I had no idea you were so informed.
Considering all my teachers and more than a handful of my 6th graders know what a thesis is....
And trying to teach everyone in school like they are supposed to be a creative university-bound student is ludicrous and one of the big fails of the U.S. education system. Not everyone is supposed to be creative. Not everyone is meant to go to college!
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| The fact that you don't realize what a game changer this was relegates you to the "all mouth, no brain" |
The fact that you do and believe that invention is the key to making money in the business world is well....You sound like 24 year old who only is aware of the last decade and enjoys a toke in the morning.
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| It only changed the way people listen to |
Wrong, the Discman and Walkman introduced the idea of portable music, as well as music you could record and share. The I-Pod was an evolution of that.
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| collect, and share music |
It wasn't the iPod that made that so...it was itunes. What Apple did was basically plunge into the bewildering array of portable music devices and download services and made it so Joe Six-pack would be able to find music without all that confusing techno talk and could buy from a company he was at least aware of and not worry that they were downloading music illegally. It was good marketing and service providing.
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| It led to and made possible the development of the iPhone, which in its turn has led to various developments. |
All of which were inevitable with or without the ipod. The things you are talking about are not a question of "if" they are a question of when. That's not innovation. That's good product development and marketing.
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| and have changed the way both people and businesses conduct their daily affairs. |
And neither the ipod nor the iphone are one of them. I know the media and 35 and under types think these are huge and you can't live without them, but a lot of people do.
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| d as well. When people are asked to reflect upon the innovations which had significant global impact in the first decade of the 21st century, what do you think they will say?- "Oh, yeah, that revolutionary engine in the Hyundai just made it happen, baby!" |
I'm guessing 35 years from now the Artificial Heart will be huge and the iPod will be a punchline that will go over the heads of people born after 2015.
On the other hand the fact that Hyundai continued to build market share in the 2010s will be considered extremely meaningful for all the people involved.
And if Chrysler falls face flat, 30 years after their huge innovation, the minivan, it will certainly send a lesson about which is more important for the long-term financial health of your company.
Maybe people don't buy cars for innovation, but for quality, reliability, comfort, and gas mileage.
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| I never mentioned or paid homage to Apple in my previous post. |
???? You have been going on and on about the iPod and how innovative it was. A device that its company had to settle out of court for 100 million dollars a patent concern. How can you write the above and say you aren't paying homage to Apple?
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| which is why Korea will never be a true leader |
Because if you aren't a leader, life is meaningless. To say nothing of whether or not this is true.
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| as it lacks the ability to innovate |
Because up until recently it lacked the capital necessary to innovate. In order to innovate you need to do R&D, which requires enormous amounts of money and if someone else beats you, you are out all of it. Better to develop good products and generate capital. Then you can start to worry about R&D.
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| Besides the fact that you obviously fail to realize the money inherent in successful patents you really do need to learn to look before you leap |
That's the whole point....If you go straight for innovation right of the bat you are not looking before you leap....
And you fail to realize the costs and risks. Go ahead and try and invent something. If you succeed great. In the meantime I'm opening a McDonald's in a prime location or selling Camrys. And once I earn enough money to enjoy a comfortable life while having money to spend a year or two writing my screenplay or inventing something, I'll do that. And I'll also have enough money to get a good attorney and do things properly.
Back home we had this company called KMS which made a big splash as it was attempting to find Cold Fusion. It had a big lab and everything. As you can tell, since you have never heard of KMS, you can guess what happened to the company.
That's not to say don't try and invent, but make sure it doesn't mean your company lives or dies.
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| If you were to walk into any boardroom on the planet and claim the I-Pod (in its various incarnations) was not an innovation that shook markets and media content operations around the world |
Media content operations, yes.
Markets and everything, no.
I think that more significant than the ipod for those people in the board would be certain finance laws and commercial agreements as well as things like broadband supply operations and product routing or things like making the company paperless or online marketing. |
"Considering all my teachers and more than a handful of my 6th graders know what a thesis is...."
Statements like this show you're all smoke and mirrors. Like you've had this discussion with all your teachers and students ("Okay class, today we're going to talk about thesis statements, topic sentences, body paragraphs, and concluding statements. Don't worry if you're still struggling to make a sentence, Teacher Steel will show you how to b.s. your way through). I know for a fact that it's not on the official government curriculum for both primary and secondary education. If you want to claim that your school is implementing how to formulate a thesis statement in English to 6th graders, I'd applaud the balls of your principle but downgrade his brain, as 6th graders should be concentrating on increasing their vocabulary and getting a hold on sentence structures first, in other words, you don't start building your house from the roof down. I seriously doubt all your (Korean) teachers really know what a thesis statement is (let alone an actual thesis, as it's not a requirement to obtain a teaching license for primary education), knowing meaning being able to compose a decent one as opposed to just sayin'. Which is just you've been doing a lot of. Lord, I've never met anyone so willing to twist things around and out of context to the degree that you do. Look Steel, you're a nice kid, and if you really cared even an iota for this country, you'd be pressing for some well-needed reforms rather than slapping the captains of industry on the back, because if you think the middle class here really have much of a life, you're just plain ignorant. |
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Noliving
Joined: 01 Apr 2010
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| People showing up to rallies with "Don't Tread On Me" pickets with AR-15 assault rifles strapped around their back (and this behaviour becoming normal)? |
AR-15's are not assault rifles, they are a semi-automatic rifle that has a "military" look to them. Also what is wrong with gun enthusiasts rallying to try and protect what they feel is their rights? |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| People showing up to rallies with "Don't Tread On Me" pickets with AR-15 assault rifles strapped around their back (and this behaviour becoming normal)? |
AR-15's are not assault rifles, they are a semi-automatic rifle that has a "military" look to them. Also what is wrong with gun enthusiasts rallying to try and protect what they feel is their rights? |
Because no one is taking away their guns or rights and no one is treading on them. And ironically, these people are the ones that would have benefited most from a universal healthcare system, but they get so amped up by the fear mongers and conspiracy theorists at Fox News all they see is rage against a government that is trying to do well by them. And the worst part is, they end up being funded by and taking the side of the same big corporate fat cats and wall street frauds that got us all into this mess. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| People showing up to rallies with "Don't Tread On Me" pickets with AR-15 assault rifles strapped around their back (and this behaviour becoming normal)? |
AR-15's are not assault rifles, they are a semi-automatic rifle that has a "military" look to them. Also what is wrong with gun enthusiasts rallying to try and protect what they feel is their rights? |
Because no one is taking away their guns or rights and no one is treading on them. And ironically, these people are the ones that would have benefited most from a universal healthcare system, but they get so amped up by the fear mongers and conspiracy theorists at Fox News all they see is rage against a government that is trying to do well by them. And the worst part is, they end up being funded by and taking the side of the same big corporate fat cats and wall street frauds that got us all into this mess. |
How off topic
Also, isn't the AR-15 just the civilian version of an assault rifle? |
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freddy teacher
Joined: 01 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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im not sure about anyone else, but i dont care if someone is an ESL teacher or a GI, i'll judge them individually... and personally, i think 75% of the foreigners in korea are complete losers that needed to escape their homeland for various reasons (unbearable debt due to bad decisions, inability to find a spouse, simply a low-class individual, no future).
seriously, just look at the people here, specifically ESL teachers, effin WEIRD.
for the most part, i refuse to hangout with foreigners because its a hassle...
i have tons of faults, so i try not to judge. i just hate people acting like they are huge in korea seeing as they are obvious losers back home.
koreans dont know that their government attracts the bottom of the barrel from other countries. i really hope natives dont think all foreigners are like the ones in korea... |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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koreans dont know that their government attracts the bottom of the barrel from other countries. i really hope natives dont think all foreigners are like the ones in korea... |
Educated w/ a low crime rate is bottom of the barrel? |
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freddy teacher
Joined: 01 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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koreans dont know that their government attracts the bottom of the barrel from other countries. i really hope natives dont think all foreigners are like the ones in korea... |
Educated w/ a low crime rate is bottom of the barrel? |
if u consider the majority of "ESL teachers" to be educated, then yes, thats the bottom of the barrel.
just because u have a BA doesnt mean you are educated my friend... |
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freddy teacher
Joined: 01 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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ps. i love how the majority of ESL teachers here forget that they are fake teachers and they cant get a job or a decent life in their home country.
all these people on daves, using their philosophy degrees, rhetoric, big ass words to compensate for the real reason they are here.
to all those who think that this world owes them something: please remember that in reality, you dont mean crap.
but then again, we are in korea, and nothing makes sense here...so keep on truckin. |
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