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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Split pea soup. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| interestedinhanguk wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Any small food that squirts if you pierce it with a fork is better eaten with chopsticks. Cherry tomatoes come to mind. |
fingers. |
and foods that are served hot? Or ones that are sauced AND squirt? |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| I eat majority of things with my fingers/hands so I say screw both the forks and the chopsticks. |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| interestedinhanguk wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Any small food that squirts if you pierce it with a fork is better eaten with chopsticks. Cherry tomatoes come to mind. |
fingers. |
and foods that are served hot? Or ones that are sauced AND squirt? |
I should have been more specific; I was referring to the cherry tomatoes.
But, then again, look at the Indians. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I know there are those who believe they are just different because they are from a different culture. No. Stone roads are better than dirt roads. Cement roads are better than stones roads. It isn't cultural. It is a utilitarian reality. |
Better greatly depends on the utility.
A stone road is in no way better than a dirt one if I'm riding my bicycle or walking.
A cement (asphalt?) road is smoothest, but I'd much rather drive on a stone road in winter.
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There are those who really seem to believe they are easier somehow. This I find curious. |
Why is this curious? If people have been doing something everyday for most of their lives, it would naturally be easy for them. |
No. It is impractical to change a road every time the season or your vehicle use changes. You have to make a choice when building roads. The vast, vast majority of roads built all over the world today are concrete or asphalt. Why? They are the best option. It isn't even a close choice.
Bike paths (paths not roads) are usually not simply dirt. They typically have gravel under the top layer of dirt. Stone. Why? It rains and dirt becomes mud making the path unusable unless there is a stone base.
It is one thing to disagree. It is another thing altogether to be contrary. I suspect a contrary person when I have to explain something that most governments and billions of people have shown they agree with by their actions. |
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tefain
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
| tefain wrote: |
| AmericanExile wrote: |
| I know there are those who believe they are just different because they are from a different culture. No. Stone roads are better than dirt roads. Cement roads are better than stones roads. It isn't cultural. It is a utilitarian reality. |
Better greatly depends on the utility.
A stone road is in no way better than a dirt one if I'm riding my bicycle or walking.
A cement (asphalt?) road is smoothest, but I'd much rather drive on a stone road in winter.
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There are those who really seem to believe they are easier somehow. This I find curious. |
Why is this curious? If people have been doing something everyday for most of their lives, it would naturally be easy for them. |
No. It is impractical to change a road every time the season or your vehicle use changes. You have to make a choice when building roads. The vast, vast majority of roads built all over the world today are concrete or asphalt. Why? They are the best option. It isn't even a close choice.
Bike paths (paths not roads) are usually not simply dirt. They typically have gravel under the top layer of dirt. Stone. Why? It rains and dirt becomes mud making the path unusable unless there is a stone base.
It is one thing to disagree. It is another thing altogether to be contrary. I suspect a contrary person when I have to explain something that most governments and billions of people have shown they agree with by their actions. |
Contrary? Thanks for the laugh.
In the spirit of the thread (which we've gone astray) I explained how you were mistaken in saying certain roads are better as if there's no room for disagreement.
Yes, I'm grateful for my asphalt road on my road. But there are plenty of instances when I seek a dirt or stone road close to where I live because it better suits the application.
Much like chopsticks are a better choice if I'm enjoying fusilli pasta. Sure, I reach for a fork 95% of the time because it's easier (for me) and therefore better for the task. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Contrary? Thanks for the laugh.
In the spirit of the thread (which we've gone astray) I explained how you were mistaken in saying certain roads are better as if there's no room for disagreement.
Yes, I'm grateful for my asphalt road on my road. But there are plenty of instances when I seek a dirt or stone road close to where I live because it better suits the application.
Much like chopsticks are a better choice if I'm enjoying fusilli pasta. Sure, I reach for a fork 95% of the time because it's easier (for me) and therefore better for the task. |
There is no need to repeat yourself. My point was there is no room for disagreement. The mere fact that you can form a sentence that expresses disagreement about something does not make that disagreement valid. Reality is not a negotiation.
Any given section of road can only be one type. You MUST choose. Because people MUST choose, they choose the one that is most useful. Roads are built to be used. The way you rank road types is by how useful they are. The roads that are far and away most often chosen are concrete/asphalt roads. The world has spoken. Decision made. Your inability to admit to something that is obviously true is evidence that youare being contrary. |
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tefain
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
| tefain wrote: |
Contrary? Thanks for the laugh.
In the spirit of the thread (which we've gone astray) I explained how you were mistaken in saying certain roads are better as if there's no room for disagreement.
Yes, I'm grateful for my asphalt road on my road. But there are plenty of instances when I seek a dirt or stone road close to where I live because it better suits the application.
Much like chopsticks are a better choice if I'm enjoying fusilli pasta. Sure, I reach for a fork 95% of the time because it's easier (for me) and therefore better for the task. |
There is no need to repeat yourself. My point was there is no room for disagreement. The mere fact that you can form a sentence that expresses disagreement about something does not make that disagreement valid. Reality is not a negotiation.
Any given section of road can only be one type. You MUST choose. Because people MUST choose, they choose the one that is most useful. Roads are built to be used. The way you rank road types is by how useful they are. The roads that are far and away most often chosen are concrete/asphalt roads. The world has spoken. Decision made. Your inability to admit to something that is obviously true is evidence that youare being contrary. |
OK, excuse me for not admitting that most roads are asphalt. 
That still doesn't change the reality that other types of roads are in fact better for a given utility.
To say there is no room for disagreement about that is complete nonsense. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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OK, excuse me for not admitting that most roads are asphalt.
That still doesn't change the reality that other types of roads are in fact better for a given utility.
To say there is no room for disagreement about that is complete nonsense. |
Nonsense? Why would that be? Is that because everything is debatable? Poppycock. Many things are debatable, but not everything. Some things are knowable. Some things are known.
You can try and trivialize the fact that most roads are asphalt, but it isn't random chance or coincidence. People got together and came to a conclusion about which type of road was better. This happened in different groups in different cultures all over the world. The same conclusion was reached over and over. But hey, the rest of the world is wrong and you're right. We just don't get that different surfaces are better in different circumstances.
Let me explain what the rest of us know that you don't. It is possible to make judgments given multiple criteria that sometimes have conflicting indicators.
Example: You are the coach of a swim team. It is the end of the year, and you need to pick the winner of the best swimmer trophy. Nick is the best backstroker on your team. Cindy is the best freestyler and breaststroker. She is also the second best backstroker, and she is pretty good at butterfly. She wins a lot of IMs, and has earned over twice as many points for your team as anyone else including Nick. According to your logic, we can't decide who the best swimmer is. It depends on the circumstance. I think it is a clear choice: Cindy. Better most of the time is better. You don't have to be better 100% of the time to be better. Championship sports teams lose games, but they are still the best.
Clue in. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
| tefain wrote: |
OK, excuse me for not admitting that most roads are asphalt.
That still doesn't change the reality that other types of roads are in fact better for a given utility.
To say there is no room for disagreement about that is complete nonsense. |
Nonsense? Why would that be? Is that because everything is debatable? Poppycock. Many things are debatable, but not everything. Some things are knowable. Some things are known.
You can try and trivialize the fact that most roads are asphalt, but it isn't random chance or coincidence. People got together and came to a conclusion about which type of road was better. This happened in different groups in different cultures all over the world. The same conclusion was reached over and over. But hey, the rest of the world is wrong and you're right. We just don't get that different surfaces are better in different circumstances.
Let me explain what the rest of us know that you don't. It is possible to make judgments given multiple criteria that sometimes have conflicting indicators.
Example: You are the coach of a swim team. It is the end of the year, and you need to pick the winner of the best swimmer trophy. Nick is the best backstroker on your team. Cindy is the best freestyler and breaststroker. She is also the second best backstroker, and she is pretty good at butterfly. She wins a lot of IMs, and has earned over twice as many points for your team as anyone else including Nick. According to your logic, we can't decide who the best swimmer is. It depends on the circumstance. I think it is a clear choice: Cindy. Better most of the time is better. You don't have to be better 100% of the time to be better. Championship sports teams lose games, but they are still the best.
Clue in. |
Cindy is obviously on steroids if she is out swimming men. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| AmericanExile wrote: |
| tefain wrote: |
OK, excuse me for not admitting that most roads are asphalt.
That still doesn't change the reality that other types of roads are in fact better for a given utility.
To say there is no room for disagreement about that is complete nonsense. |
Nonsense? Why would that be? Is that because everything is debatable? Poppycock. Many things are debatable, but not everything. Some things are knowable. Some things are known.
You can try and trivialize the fact that most roads are asphalt, but it isn't random chance or coincidence. People got together and came to a conclusion about which type of road was better. This happened in different groups in different cultures all over the world. The same conclusion was reached over and over. But hey, the rest of the world is wrong and you're right. We just don't get that different surfaces are better in different circumstances.
Let me explain what the rest of us know that you don't. It is possible to make judgments given multiple criteria that sometimes have conflicting indicators.
Example: You are the coach of a swim team. It is the end of the year, and you need to pick the winner of the best swimmer trophy. Nick is the best backstroker on your team. Cindy is the best freestyler and breaststroker. She is also the second best backstroker, and she is pretty good at butterfly. She wins a lot of IMs, and has earned over twice as many points for your team as anyone else including Nick. According to your logic, we can't decide who the best swimmer is. It depends on the circumstance. I think it is a clear choice: Cindy. Better most of the time is better. You don't have to be better 100% of the time to be better. Championship sports teams lose games, but they are still the best.
Clue in. |
Cindy is obviously on steroids if she is out swimming men. |
Not to mention that if Cindy is the second best back stroker and pretty good at butterfly, wouldn't that mean you send out Laura Chopstick for back stroke and Sarah Spoon for butterfly?
What if Laura Chopstick utterly smashes everyone at backstroke and is a legend at it? Wouldn't that in a sense make her the better swimmer at her specialty? Wouldn't that make her the greater swimmer of note? Maybe Cindy Fork is great at all her events at a High School Level, but Laura Chopstick's legendary skill at backstroke is sending her to the Olympics. Maybe she dusts Cindy Fork in the backstroke.
And what if in the process of winning, Cindy Fork is incredibly loud and obnoxious? Maybe she draws a fair number of penalties through her splattering splashing, staining the team. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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In a world where forks and tongs exist, why do people cling to inferior technology?
I suppose it is like juggling. It feels like an achievement, but it has no real value. |
if you can catch a fly in the air mr. miyagi style with a fork i will renounce chopsticks.
in all seriousness though, eat a chinese soup dumpling with a fork and tell me how that works out for you and your superior technology. |
That's why we also have spoons. |
spoons are universal (more or less). the post i was responding to was dealing with forks and tongs, not spoons. |
....are you dense? In the west we separate foodstuffs by fork and spoon. Yes they are universal but they are a part of our consumption arsenal. What is the point of referencing a food that no one would dream of using a fork to eat anyway? Also, I have eaten dumplings/mondu easily with a fork.
Also, I think wrapping spaghetti around a fork is much easier and less messy than using chopsticks and slurping it. Salads and tomatoes are easily speared. Before you say something, I have been using chopsticks all my life.
I am usually the one using chopsticks and my K-GF is the only with the monopoly on forks because she says it is easier. Case closed. |
You must be bad at using chopsticks if you think eating noodles with them is "messy". I'm indifferent on forks vs. chopsticks in the noodle arena anyway.
Salads are definitely easier with chopsticks.
Why would you think your girlfriend's opinion on anything even mattered, by the way? |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Any small food that squirts if you pierce it with a fork is better eaten with chopsticks. Cherry tomatoes come to mind.
Any food that crumbles apart or crunches or flakes into a mess if you stab it with a fork is better eaten with chopsticks.
Just because you suck at using something doesn't make it stupid.
I prefer forks for spaghetti, pizza, curry and obviously, steaks.
Pasta especially. I prefer the twirl to the shovel. Although for ramyun I prefer the shovel to the twirl. Udon I like the spoon + chopstick method. I want some broth + noodle. |
I don't suck at using chopsticks, I use them well. The crumble however....chopsticks are just as bad, especially if it is something fluffy like cake. Things that squirt...use the fork delicately...you don't have to go all Conan the Barbarian OG SMASH on a cherry tomato bro. I've seen countless Koreans struggle to pick up cherry tomatoes with chopsticks and then resort to spearing it...which leads to the same result. Things that crunch or flake depend on the size. I would never eat a pastry with chopsticks. I eat baklava with a smaller fork. Let's face it most things that are harder to eat with a fork you just pick up and use your hands, or you use a spoon.
You could just do it Indian style and scoop everything up with naan...my friend is so pro at that. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
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| I eat Chinese soup dumplings with a spoon. That's the way my Chinese friends ate them, so I followed suit. |
how do they get the dumpling from the serving dish to the spoon? |
Touch�.
I don't eat it with chopsticks, though  |
Simple. Here, I'll put it step by step for you.
#1 Put dumplings in bowl.
#2 ?
#3 Profit. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| methdxman wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| AmericanExile wrote: |
In a world where forks and tongs exist, why do people cling to inferior technology?
I suppose it is like juggling. It feels like an achievement, but it has no real value. |
if you can catch a fly in the air mr. miyagi style with a fork i will renounce chopsticks.
in all seriousness though, eat a chinese soup dumpling with a fork and tell me how that works out for you and your superior technology. |
That's why we also have spoons. |
spoons are universal (more or less). the post i was responding to was dealing with forks and tongs, not spoons. |
....are you dense? In the west we separate foodstuffs by fork and spoon. Yes they are universal but they are a part of our consumption arsenal. What is the point of referencing a food that no one would dream of using a fork to eat anyway? Also, I have eaten dumplings/mondu easily with a fork.
Also, I think wrapping spaghetti around a fork is much easier and less messy than using chopsticks and slurping it. Salads and tomatoes are easily speared. Before you say something, I have been using chopsticks all my life.
I am usually the one using chopsticks and my K-GF is the only with the monopoly on forks because she says it is easier. Case closed. |
You must be bad at using chopsticks if you think eating noodles with them is "messy". I'm indifferent on forks vs. chopsticks in the noodle arena anyway.
Salads are definitely easier with chopsticks.
Why would you think your girlfriend's opinion on anything even mattered, by the way? |
I use chopsticks perfectly, douchemasterx in another thread. How is it not "messy" to shovel/slurp noodles into your mouth? Besides that, it shows a lack of manners/etiquette. No one wants to hear you eat. I agree with the post earlier if it isn't romaine or iceberg salads are easier...except for the fact, what about that spinach leaf stuck to the bottom of the bowl? Not going to get that with chopsticks or a fork...but easier to navigate with a fork due to more pressure being applied.
My girlfriend's opinion matters because she is Korean and has been using chopsticks all of her life, but prefers a fork (just like most Koreans I've seen when offered an option).
Since when does YOUR OPINION matter, by the way? |
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