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demitri



Joined: 06 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Europe to Korea a step back? Reply with quote

Hi,

After having taught in Korea, I returned to Europe and continued teaching in Greece. I've been here for 2 years and have decided to call it a day at the end of this school year. The work is fine but I've just had enough of living here.

Now, I'm debating with myself about what to do next. I'm not about to go back to the UK and be stuck in my parents' home job hunting for weeks or months only to be rejected from the most tedious of jobs. So, I guess I'm to continue on the teaching route (which has been a rather pleasant experience in Greece).

However, I can't help feeling that to move on to some other European country is not a great idea. With rent factored into the equation (haven't had this expense in Greece) I feel that it would be a major struggle just to get by.

Hence, the 'return to Korea' bell is ringing. Part of me feels that it's the best option, while the other screams that this would be a major step backwards. The last 2 years in Greece, I've actually had real responsibilities as a teacher and have had to teach everything. It's been a much bigger workload than anything I had in Korea but has been so much more satisfying as a result. I haven't just been an English conversation teacher.

Has anyone been in a similar boat and perhaps has some advice? Would it be a step back or is there a way to make it progressive? (If that makes sense).

Thanks
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Europe to Korea a step back? Reply with quote

demitri wrote:
I'm not about to go back to the UK and be stuck in my parents' home job hunting for weeks or months only to be rejected from the most tedious of jobs.


Unless you plan on being an expat teacher for life, you will eventually go home to look for that steady job. And, remember, the longer you work overseas as an English teacher, the worse it will look to future employers in your home country. That's why so many people do this for one or two years at the most.
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demitri



Joined: 06 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your point, but truth be told my options for that 'steady job' back home are, I believe, few. I have a degree but that doesn't mean much these days, especially when it's been several years since graduation and you haven't worked in that given field to build experience. The job market in the UK is crap. I've spent the last 3 years as an English teacher. Realistically speaking, I would be looking at some silly office jobs.

In light of that, I'd rather continue as an expat teacher. Plus, I can't say I'm too keen on settling back in the UK.

Any teachers on here who have gone from a relatively serious teaching gig in Europe to monkeying around in Korea? Are there serious teaching opportunities to be had in Korea, honestly?
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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not do a PGCE back in the UK and become a qualified teacher in the UK. Once you have a bit of experience you can teach in International School all over the world.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demitri wrote:
Any teachers on here who have gone from a relatively serious teaching gig in Europe to monkeying around in Korea? Are there serious teaching opportunities to be had in Korea, honestly?


At your serious gig in Europe, were you able to save the same as you could save in Korae?
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"monkeying around in Korea" eh

So I see you're in the same mind set as you were back in December when you said this

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As for the criticism of the school, that's not justified friend. I'm at one of the better schools in the capital. And with all due respect you are teaching in Korea. I'm familiar with what you're doing out there, even if it's a university, and we really shouldn't pretend it's serious teaching. (I don't mean that as an insult to you).


If you believe what you say then I wouldn't recommend coming here no and according to you, you wouldn't be able to teach anything anyway if you can't speak Korean. Stay in Greece and be a proper teacher
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
If you believe what you say then I wouldn't recommend coming here now and according to you, you wouldn't be able to teach anything anyway if you can't speak Korean. Stay in Greece and be a proper teacher


+1.

YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN KOREA AND EVERYONE IN IT.

Seriously, I can tell.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
"monkeying around in Korea" eh

So I see you're in the same mind set as you were back in December when you said this

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As for the criticism of the school, that's not justified friend. I'm at one of the better schools in the capital. And with all due respect you are teaching in Korea. I'm familiar with what you're doing out there, even if it's a university, and we really shouldn't pretend it's serious teaching. (I don't mean that as an insult to you).


If you believe what you say then I wouldn't recommend coming here no and according to you, you wouldn't be able to teach anything anyway if you can't speak Korean. Stay in Greece and be a proper teacher


I've taught at intl schools and let's just say I'd much rather make at least 40K usd after taxes, teach only 20 hours a week and have 5 months paid vacation than be a "real" teacher. Rolling Eyes
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demitri



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]If you believe what you say then I wouldn't recommend coming here no and according to you, you wouldn't be able to teach anything anyway if you can't speak Korean. Stay in Greece and be a proper teacher[/quote]

Edward, sorry you feel that way mate. It's not my fault you're getting old as a chump in Korea. We made our beds. But, ok. If it makes you feel better than yes, I'm sure your teaching position in Korea is deadly serious. That's why you're on esl cafe messing about every day posting peoples old comments. You got to grow up some time mate. Silly boy. Run along back to your class of kids who are hoping they don't end up like you Wink

Back to the topic at hand. I guess I'd be willing to return if it were a uni gig. The MA coupled with the experience in Europe should suffice, right? But then there's the issue of landing a uni gig from outside Korea. Is that even possible?
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demitri



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]I've taught at intl schools and let's just say I'd much rather make at least 40K usd after taxes, teach only 20 hours a week and have 5 months paid vacation than be a "real" teacher.[/quote]

Naturegirl, you've worked in SA and Europe, right? How is it moving from International schools back to Korea? I mean, presumably you've had your share of serious/professional positions. Did you feel it was a step backwards going back to Korea?

I'm not talking about the money side of things as the money I make and save in Greece is not so different to what I remember saving in Korea. But granted, that's not the norm. Fortunately, I don't have rent expenses. As for the 5 month paid vacation, wow! Is that for real? Surely such opportunities must be far and few between right? Did you get your uni job while in Korea?
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the 5 month paid vacation, wow! Is that for real?


Yes five months isn't it amazing? It so happens I'm at a university too where they get 5 months holiday and on the hiring comittee too. And I know other people in the same position. So are you going to ask me about the chances of you landing a job at the place where I work?
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demitri



Joined: 06 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]So are you going to ask me about the chances of you landing a job at the place where I work?[/quote]

Why not? You don't really know who I am. Demitri is not my real name. Plus, if the Korean teachers liked me I doubt your objections would have much weight. You're not one of them remember. So go on, tell us where you work and I'll apply Wink

Jokes aside. The 5 month thing sounds amazing, and you're telling me it's not that special/unusual in Korea. OK, this changes things. I need to look into this.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why not?


Because you can't teach and have no real interest in the job. (you admitted so yourself in another post)
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because you can't teach and have no real interest in the job. (you admitted so yourself in another post)

I agree, why bother, get back to blighty you schumk and get a 'proper' job. Maccy D's is calling thee!!! Wink Wink
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demitri



Joined: 06 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]Because you can't teach and have no real interest in the job.[/quote]

I said I have no interest in the job? Hmmm, ok. Don't remember saying that, but if you say so. I can't teach? Hmmm, ok. That's because I expressed an opinion about L1 being necessary (to an extent) in language learning. People are allowed to have different opinions mate.

Your opinion is bound to one-sided anyhow. Being a monolingual teacher in a country where you can't revert to students' L1.

Anyway, this conversation is silly. You're an educated guy (probably well into your 30's) 'teaching' in Korea. Nonsense.
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