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48�2(9+3)=?
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57%
 57%  [ 16 ]
288
42%
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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silkhighway wrote:
but your algebra is wrong

I believe this is the correct algebra:
let A be volume of the spoon
let B be the original volume of each liquid.
with the obvious assumption that A is not greater than B
let P(wi) be the percentage of wine in the wine->water mix
let P(wa) be the percentage of water in the wine->water mix
then:
P(wi) = A/(A+B)
P(wa) = B/(A+B)
then the volume of water in the second spoonful is:
A*P(wa) = AB/(A+B)
and the volume of wine remaining in the wine->water mix is:
B*P(wi) = AB/(A+B)
thus they are the same.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: Corrections to proper suit in bold below:

Well I failed on that one, so I better make this one a good one. Johnny and Jimmy are going to play a game, so they sit down and clearly spell out the rules.

1) Jimmy will have three hidden cards. Two of the cards are spades, and the other is a heart. For convenience sake, these cards are numbered 1, 2, and 3. Jimmy will take a quick peak so he knows what cards are what. Johnny doesn't know.
2) Johnny will pick a card, but not look at it yet.
3) Jimmy will then show a spade from the *other* 2 cards. If there are two spades, Jimmy can choose to show whatever one he wants. Jimmy then will offer Johnny to switch cards.
4) Johnny can stay with the original card he's chosen or he can switch to the remaining card.
5) After Johnny stays or goes, they look at the card. If it's a heart, Jimmyy gives Johnny a dollar. If it's a spade, he gives him a punch in the face.


So they start to play..Jimmyy shuffles up the three cards and then offers Johnny a choice. "Card number 2!" Johnny says. "Ok then..", Jimmy says, "in that case, card number 3 is a spade." Jimmy flips over card number 3. "So do you want to switch to card number 1 or stay with card number 2?"

So what should Johnny do? Should he keep his original card, switch, or does it matter?

PS: This is a variation of a popular problem. If you know it just put the initials or some hint that you know it.


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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

silkhighway wrote:
@crisdean, your algebra works I think.

Well I failed on that one, so I better make this one a good one. Johnny and Jimmy are going to play a game, so they sit down and clearly spell out the rules.

1) Jimmy will have three hidden cards. Two are hearts, one is a spade. For convenience sake, these cards are numbered 1, 2, and 3. Jimmy will take a quick peak so he knows what cards or what. Johnny doesn't know.
2) Johnny will pick a card. Jimmy will then show a heart from the *other* 2 cards. If there are two hearts, Jimmy can choose to show whatever one he wants. Jimmy then will offer Johnny to switch cards.
3) Johnny can stay with the original card he's chosen or he can switch to the remaining card.
4) After Johnny stays or goes, they look at the card. If it's a heart, Jimmyy gives Johnny a dollar. If it's a spade, he gives him a punch in the face.


So they start to play..Jimmyy shuffles up the three cards and then offers Johnny a choice. "Card number 2!" Johnny says. "Ok then..", Jimmy says, "in that case, card number 3 is heart." Jimmy flips over card number 3. "So do you want to switch to card number 1 or stay with card number 2?"

So what should Johnny do? Should he keep his original card, switch, or does it matter?

PS: This is a variation of a popular problem. If you know it just put the initials or some hint that you know it.

Assuming I understand your premise and assuming Johnny doesn't want to be punched in the face. I think he should keep his original card.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhhh sorry, I messed up again. There are two spades and one heart in the three cards. I'm going to correct the assumptions.
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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silkhighway wrote:
Ahhhh sorry, I messed up again. There are two spades and one heart in the three cards. I'm going to correct the assumptions.


okay, with the changes, then he should switch
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dirtmcgirt



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is 2.

What google calculator probably doesn't take into account is the distributive property and when the theorem applies. When a number is tied to two other numbers inside a bracket you must do that first. a(b+c)=ab+ac

48/2(9+3) = 48/ 2(9+3)=(2*9+2*3)=(18+6)=24

At this point you then go left to right. 48/24=2

I think the key here is the distributive property and the use of it. At the end of the day it is a poorly set up question. Also someone said that the 2(9+3) is in the numerator but that's not true it's in the denominator. I have no idea how it could be in the numerator. My two bits.

Dirt
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is 288 based on the way it is written. (In my opinion)

48/2(9+3) = 48/2*(9+3) = 288

Brackets, Exponents, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.

Enter this into excel:

"=SUM(48/2*(9+3))"

Division comes before multiplication.

Strangely my financial calculator gets 2, while my graphing calculator gets 288. Obviously my calculators disagree. But when I change the equation to 48/2*(3+9) both calculators get 288. Confusing.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dirtmcgirt wrote:
The answer is 2.

What google calculator probably doesn't take into account is the distributive property and when the theorem applies. When a number is tied to two other numbers inside a bracket you must do that first. a(b+c)=ab+ac

48/2(9+3) = 48/ 2(9+3)=(2*9+2*3)=(18+6)=24

At this point you then go left to right. 48/24=2

I think the key here is the distributive property and the use of it. At the end of the day it is a poorly set up question. Also someone said that the 2(9+3) is in the numerator but that's not true it's in the denominator. I have no idea how it could be in the numerator. My two bits.

Dirt


You forgot the "48/" where I bolded, but anyways...

Left to Right

Why are you skipping over the division? Multiplication is not done before division unless it precedes it going from left to right.

Order of Operations
-Parentheses
then
-Exponents
then
-Multiplication AND Division
then
-Addition and Subtraction

The Distributive Property isn't an issue here.

The distributive property plays a role with variables, it doesnt come into significance here.

Here's an example without variables:
5(4+3)=
5*4+5*3=
20+15=
35=

OR

(not making use of the distributive property)
5(4+3)=
5(7)=
5*7=
35

It comes out the same.

Now let's write this with a variable

5(x+3)=35
5x+5*3=35
5x+15=35
(5x+15)-15=(35)-15
5x=20
(5x)/5=(20)/5
x=4

In this case, we needed the distributive property.


I'll break down the problem from the OP below.
The answer is still 288 below, and I'll make use of the distributive property. Remember, we are working left to right, as we always must, and multiplication and division have the same priority.

48/2(9+3)

First we can divide 48/2 (we're not touching the parentheses yet). That gives us:

24(9+3)

Now we can distribute like in the Distributive Property. We will multiply 24 by 9 and add it to 24 multiplied by 3.


24*9+24*3

Now we will do all the multiplication as there is no function with greater priority according to the Order of Operations


216+72

Now we add


288[/b]
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mcb1180



Joined: 16 Feb 2009
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too want to beat the dead horse.

48
2(9+3)

and

48�2(9+3)=

are two different equations.

One is written as a fraction with a numerator and a denominator while the other is a simple equation.

I was always taught that if an equation used a / rather than a � sign it was to be considered a fraction, with everything after the / being in the denominator. This of course mainly occurred in the time when there were no programs to type equations in the same manner that we would right them.

Such as math problems where exponents were written like such

9X2-5X2+7=3X2

Where the 2s are exponents.
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