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apples
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
<<sigh and laughs>>
Enjoy your evening. |
What's so funny about Patrick GH? |
I missunderstood what she meant...thats all.  |
No, that wasn't it. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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ok champ...if you say so...  |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Cedar wrote: |
Above Swash makes the point that most Koreans really don't think of E2 people as TRUE friends (the kind you visit in the hospital and help through tough times). This is absolutely true. To have real Korean friends they need to believe you aren't just going to be here and gone again in a few months. This I think may be part of NYC Gal's big shocker with this whole thing. She may not have realized both the difference in nursing here -and- that she didn't actually have the close relationship with Koreans she thought she did.
As I and any other long-timer can tell you, it is possible to develop friends when they believe 1) you will be in their life long term 2) you have at least a healthy respect for their country and culture 3) you understand things about Korean etiquette so you don't constantly hit the foreigner button in their mind by behaving 'off' from how a Korean would in the same situation 4) you speak Korean at least to a degree that demonstrates that you tried (like you can at least take care of ordinary stuff like signing up for the internet service or challenging your bill in a restaurant without them helping you) |
I completely disagree.
A compassionate person would help out even a temporary co-worker. In fact, a stranger in your country would need more support from co-workers as they don't have a local family network.
If I was working in a company in my home country and a Korean co-worker was hospitalized, I'd like to think I'd take the time to visit them at least once. It doesn't matter if they're only around for a year or two. It's just the decent thing to do. They are alone in your country. They don't have a big friends and family network. If you don't visit them, then who will? These are things that sympathetic people would think about.
As usual, PatrickGHBusan and Cedar will defend anything that Koreans do without the slightest notion of case-by-case context. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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Respectfully, I disagree. This isn't about culture or etiquette its about normal and common decency.
If she is an honest and hard working person then it shouldnt even be a question in my opinion. They are fully aware of the fact that she has no family here and that she is in a state of need and help.
Your second post is a load of garbage full of mass generalisations and poor observations. Are you seriously insinuating that only F visa holders or longtermers are privvy to the great honour that is Korean friends?? What do you mean 'hitting the foreigner button'? If the op is not a Korean she will always be seen as a foreigner in the eyes of her peers. It seems like you are suggesting people should act according to their very nature and who they are.
| Cedar wrote: |
Above Swash makes the point that most Koreans really don't think of E2 people as TRUE friends (the kind you visit in the hospital and help through tough times). This is absolutely true. To have real Korean friends they need to believe you aren't just going to be here and gone again in a few months. This I think may be part of NYC Gal's big shocker with this whole thing. She may not have realized both the difference in nursing here -and- that she didn't actually have the close relationship with Koreans she thought she did.
As I and any other long-timer can tell you, it is possible to develop friends when they believe 1) you will be in their life long term 2) you have at least a healthy respect for their country and culture 3) you understand things about Korean etiquette so you don't constantly hit the foreigner button in their mind by behaving 'off' from how a Korean would in the same situation 4) you speak Korean at least to a degree that demonstrates that you tried (like you can at least take care of ordinary stuff like signing up for the internet service or challenging your bill in a restaurant without them helping you) |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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It's all good, folks. They truly just didn't think about it. We all know how that goes here. It happens. I was very hurt when it happened, but, since then, those very few teachers with whom I share an actual friendship have been wonderful. They just didn't realize that I didn't know how hospitals work here. The rest? Whatever. We do get on well, but they may very well see me as disposable. Who cares, really? I work hard, bring in tasty treats for everyone on a fairly regular basis, and enjoy my job for the most part.
On the bright side, I learned some more Korean during my hospital stay, and got engaged this week to the wonderful best-friend-then-boyfriend who cared for me after bringing me home from the hospital.
If anyone does happen to fall ill, just ask for help on Dave's. I'm sure there are plenty of us who would be more than willing to bring supplies and help out. As much as we (love to) argue here, many of us would be happy to help out a fellow expat in need. |
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apples
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| ok champ...if you say so... |
All of Dave's postings must be in some sort of vacuum if what you say is accurate. How do you explain NYC Gal's initial laugh, as well as Eamo's and other postings that note your korean homerism? Are they all out of fluff and just come out of left field.
Don't get me wrong, as you initially replied, you "miss read" what she wrote, not only literally but contextually, as you always do. Just tell yourself that you are still good enough, you're still smart enough, and you're still a misunderstood genius. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| I'm good enough, smart enough, and dog gone it, people like me. |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river
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Sounds horrible..
Ive been admitted to hospital here once but i wasnt immobilised or anything. The level of care was really good. Nurses were kind and attentive. All in all it was a good experience, apart from the feeling terrible part of it  |
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crazyjames1233
Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| at least you GOT painkillers. when i had a polinidal cyst removed from my back last year it was the worst experience of my life. the same type of surgery back home they would load you up with 2 weeks of strong painkillers. but what do i get here? nothing. they cut me open, sewed me back up then just tossed me on a hospital bed. after begging the nurses and having a korean friend talk to them on the phone all i could get then was a single tab of ibuprofen. now ive got an awful case of tonsillitis and the pain is so bad all the time i cant sleep and they will give me is tylenol, which is of course useless. well at least health care here is cheap and relatively fast (the ONLY positive things ill say about it) |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Wow that's horrible. Try a hot toddy. I find that they really help when my throat is bad. Here's a recipe that I use for them, though there are plenty others out there:
1 cup hot black tea
2 Tbsp honey
the juice of 1/2 or 1 lemon (depends on how much lemon you like)
4 Tbsp whiskey (or rum, if you prefer)
Drink it down. It soothes. Feel better! |
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