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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: Is working the problem? |
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After thinking about this for a while I have come to the conclusion that aside from crazy bosses one of the main sources of moaning seem to stem from the fact that you are working. I must admit I thought that this would be a total no brainer of a job when I first got here 25-30 hours a week of easy work and I'm done. However what I am doing is actually real work, I pull the same kind of hours as I would back home and the job I am in has a strong expectation that I will do a good job.
Is one of the problems here that people assume that this is 'holiday job' . eg. less than fulltime no brain work. So they develop a certain bitterness due to their 'working holiday' being more about working than actually about holidaying? |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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It might be for a few, but I think the real issue in working, is the different expectations we have of our students for being students, as opposed to teaching back in the old country. Classes are tough luck when the students don't understand that you are producing a student centered class and want their active participation in the class. The effort needed to make a class work, and the slow up take of some classes in how to practice the language can be very draining. Example after example sometimes doesn't work, and can't count the number of classes I had to re-explain how to do an information gap exerice every time we did one. The concept plain wasn't kept in storage by the students. These factors make teaching really interesting and draining in all downs and ups of it all. |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I enjoy korea much more now I'm not working. It still smells bad and I hate random ajummas & ajoshhis getting in my space, but overall it's not too bad.. My point is that a lot of the little things that bugged me before only bugged me because work put me on edge to begin with.. hope that makes sense. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Is one of the problems here that people assume that this is 'holiday job' . eg. less than fulltime no brain work. So they develop a certain bitterness due to their 'working holiday' being more about working than actually about holidaying? |
CLG...bingo!
Right on the money. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Mashimaro wrote: |
I enjoy korea much more now I'm not working. It still smells bad and I hate random ajummas & ajoshhis getting in my space, but overall it's not too bad.. My point is that a lot of the little things that bugged me before only bugged me because work put me on edge to begin with.. hope that makes sense. |
That's a bloody good point. There are times when I really get pissed off with the students. Some are just great, and I love the ones who go out of their way to speak English to you. But, those students who don't want to be there can make your life a misery, throw in the hagwon politics, and this can impact very negatively on your experience in Korea. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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I'd say living in a home that is NOT your own is probably 30%-50% of the problem.
Having your own home will seriously take a bit out of what you complain about. It makes your job, just a job if ya know what I mean. |
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the saint

Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Right... all these things contribute greatly to overall STRESS.
Seoul is a really stressful city. There is no real way to relax I find. Okay, I've only been here 2 months but I wonder if I'm onto something here. I find simply going anywhere quite stressful in itself and then whatever I'm going to (like wandering around a market) stressful once again. Add the trip back home and I'm all stressed up ready for a week back at work!
But perhaps it's just culture shock...  |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah...when i was here buming around for a couple months felt a lot more chilled out and relaxed and actually really liked living here.
Now that i am back at work i can feel the frustrations again. I just try to leave everything at work and just forget about it, easier said than done though. |
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phaedrus

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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For the pay teachers get there should be more of a working holiday atmosphere.
A generous hagwon pay scale of 2.8 million per month including benefits only gives you about $20 Canadian per hour.
My father makes about this back home and he didn't go to university.
Most other professions get rewarded greatly for packing themselves to a foreign country. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Most other professions get rewarded greatly for packing themselves to a foreign country. |
True, BUT are you really qualified to teach? Having an MBA and getting assigned to Seoul is a TOTALLY different ball of wax.
Perhaps if people were actually trained and experienced teachers they should be worth 40mil a year min. But that is a HUGE minority of those working in the industry. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: |
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I like working. Offwork is not dull but I hit some genuine high points while doing the paid thing too. |
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inexhile
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:09 am Post subject: |
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My 1st job here was a complete no brainer, plenty of time on my hands, could do it drunk, crazy and lazy, and I did many times.
Now I have to work hard, prepare religiously, and thankfully the rewards are there. I wouldn't have it any othere way. To teach here it has to be rewarding or you're just treading water...FK that. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Well I don't mind the work mostly. I'm used to the scene. Mostly kids who cannot do much with English but some who try anyway and may be good with it in the future. It isn't the work so much as living here. That is what gets me. Sometimes I bring that into work and cannot relate to the same culture all the time, outside and at work. Plus I think the kids whine and complain a lot about nothing. Is that cultural? I'm hungry. I'm bored. I'm annoyed. They just whine and moan about stupid things. So sometimes I just say shut up! Is your life so hard? Will you have dinner later? |
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Korea Newfie

Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Is working the problem? |
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crazylemongirl wrote: |
Is one of the problems here that people assume that this is 'holiday job' . eg. less than fulltime no brain work. So they develop a certain bitterness due to their 'working holiday' being more about working than actually about holidaying? |
Hey, CLG, that's definitely a good point. I'm not, however, as eager as Homer to comdemn EFL'ers here. I mean, most people are lured here by recruiters/schools who go on at length about how this is a great place to explore, get drunk, have fun, and how little qualification we're expected to have. (No experience? No problem!) What are people to expect with this kind of attitude from the people bringing us here?
I try my best and work hard for my school, but I can somewhat understand those who might not...
*300 Posts...wow...time to find a hobby... |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:17 am Post subject: |
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phaedrus,
Interesting point about the 20 bucks per hour.
However, your saving potential here is much, much higher then back home when you consider rent and income tax! |
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