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Should The U.S. Scale Back Relations With Israel?
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Koveras



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JUNIOR.
    And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people with their leader that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation. (Daniel 9:26)

The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Do you understand?

    Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple; and in three days I will raise it up. (John 2:19)

The Hebrew religion was replaced by Christ. Do you understand?

    And he entered into Jerusalem, into the temple: and having viewed all things round about, when now the eventide was come, he went out to Bethenia with the twelve. And the next day when they came out from Bethania, he was hungry. And when he had seen afar off a fig tree having leaves, he came if perhaps he might find anything on it. And when he was come to it, he found nothing but leaves. For it was not the time for figs. And answering he said to it: May no man hereafter eat fruit of thee any more for ever. And his disciples heard it.

    And they came to Jerusalem. And when he was entered into the temple, he began to cast them out that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the chairs of them that sold doves.

    And he suffered not that any man should carry a vessel through the temple; and he taught, saying to them: Is it not written, My house shall be called the house of prayer to all nations? But you have made it a den of thieves. Which the chief priests and the scribes had heard, they sought how they might destroy him. For they feared him, because the whole multitude was in admiration at his doctrine. And when evening was come, he went forth out of the city. And when they passed by in the morning they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. (Mark 11:11-20)


DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
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Eddy24



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seriously. Junior. Rolling Eyes

I'm sure everyone here is just rolling their eyes when you write posts.

Way to take my points out of context as well.

You quote Israeli national news and the ADL (do you work for them?). You have no credibility in most sane people's eyes. You're just a zionist fanatic and you are part of the problem. It's a shame cause i'd like to have sensible discussion on these matters but i can already tell that you're going to keep posting this crap and it's not gonna be worth the time and effort if you keep butting in. I suppose that's maybe what you want.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddy24 wrote:
You quote Israeli national news and the ADL (do you work for them?). You have no credibility


The only links you provided were 9-11 conspiracy sites on youtube...and you complain about sources?

This ain't from israeli news:
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/e/e1/NYTimes_1948_Jews_in_Arab.jpg

Neither is this:
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http://www.psywarrior.com/mufti539.jpg
The Mufti (Haj Amin Al-Husseini) conspired with Hitler to kill jews worldwide. He recruited 20.000 muslim volunteers for the SS who killed jews in hungary and croatia.


Neither are the other links I gave you.

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i can already tell that you're going to keep posting this crap and it's not gonna be worth the time and effort if you keep butting in


In other words...you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Eddy24



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior, they are not from "9/11 conspiracy sites". And so what if it was? You can judge the individual videos on their own merits. They mention absolutely nothing about 9/11 but you didn't know that because you never even watched them. Everything you write is trash, a false, distorted zionist view of history. Were you beaten around the head with this crap when you were growing up?

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In other words...you don't have a leg to stand on.


Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Part of me doesn't want to keep typing, but its just because you are so utterly wrong that I am compelled to. I am doing this as much to educate others as it is to counteract your BS. I don't think it's possible to have a sensible debate or discussion with you.

Again, taking my quote out of context "Gaza is not growing in prosperity", when it was actually "Gaza is not growing in prosperity BECAUSE OF ISRAEL", which is what you were claiming, and it is complete and utter bull. Israel block aid and supplies going in to Gaza. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/israeli-navy-gaza-humanitarian-aid-block
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/world/middleeast/11nations.html
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/israeli-naval-force-blocks-humanitarian-aid-from-entering-gaza/

Of course this is just one aspect of many crimes committed by the Israel state down the years. You are such a tool that you would probably deny it all. Almost every country has been involved in crimes in history but you zionist fanatics would deny everything about Israel. In your world, black is white.

People coming in and out of the West Bank get treated like cattle. This is despite the fact many of the Palestinians who have to endure this are from families that have been living there long before the creation of the state of Israel, whereas zionist fanatics move there to illegal settlements on stolen land and get protected by the IDF! How do you think that would make you feel as a Palestinian? Do you have no soul?

Seriously. You only believe the brainwashed zionist side of history. It's the only side you have ever listened to. You no have no objectivity and people see right through this. The Nakba was when hundred of thousands of Palestinian refugees, who had to flee their homes or were expelled because of jewish and later Israeli troops. How can you possibly deny this? It's not even debated amongst most sane people. It happened.


Israel currently OCCUPIES Palestine. It is up to the occupiers to end the situation. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions 242 from 1967 which calls for �Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied�. To this day, Israel continues to occupy that land and continues to build illegal colonies. We don't even have to consider the illegality of it though. It is just morally wrong.

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What was called a catastrophe in 1948 was largely self-inflicted by the Palestinians supported and encouraged by the Arab world. There would have been no war had the Palestinians accepted the UN two-state solution of 1947. There would have been no refugee problem had the resolution been accepted. Indeed, there would have been a much larger Arab minority within Israel. The real catastrophe is not what they blame the Jews and the world for, but rather the decision and leadership of the Arabs. And, as noted, those self-destructive errors first made in 1947-8 have been repeated ad infinitum ever since, causing pain to Israel, but far greater pain and suffering to the Palestinians.
http://www.adl.org/ADL_Opinions/Israel/20070827-Oped.htm


(sigh)... this logic would be funny if it weren't such a serious topic matter. That's like when the rapist blames the victim.


You had the cheek to say that i have no leg to stand on. Israel as an entity barely has a leg to stand on. It was founded by the UN nation states deciding on how to divide land that was not theirs. The British originally had their mandate on Palestine and promised to make it a jewish homeland in 1917. They decided to give a land which was not theirs, that was inhabited by a vast majority of Arabs compared to Jews , to a people without a land. And you wonder why this led to disagreement and violence?

When the UN partitioned historic Palestine in 1947, they gave 55% of the land to the Jewish population and 45% to the Palestinians. There were people there, Palestinians who had been living there for centuries who rejected this. And quite right too when you consider that Jews OWNED ONLY 7% of the land, and only represented 30% of the population. I mean why divide it up between ethnicity or religion anyway?! Jews and Arabs got on fine before all the zionist fanatic settlers started coming in claiming it as their land based on ideology or some biblical crap.

Here is a list of Israeli violations of UN security council resoltuions: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/


Junior wrote:
Actually it is Gaza that constantly sends rockets into Israeli residential areas to kill Israelis. mainstream media chooses to not report it however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011
Given such weighted media bias against Israel, it really is no surprise that a generation of young westerners has grown up indoctrinated into anti-israeli hatred. Muslims bought up a lot of the western media years ago.


Muslims bought up a lot of western media years ago? LOL .. Such as? the US media largely does not cover ISrael's crimes and the UK MSM is the BBC and Sky News which are most certainly not muslim LOL.

But anyway, that's a distraction from the issues. Yes there are rocket attacks, what do yo think wil happen when you occupy land which is not yours. These rocket attacks are nothing on the US-funded ISraeli army, witth their air strikes. In the last Gaza operation which lasted from december 2008 to January 2009, 4 Israelis were killed by rocket attacks and 285 wounded. There were more than 1000 Palestinians killed by the Israelis, many of them children. Many thousands more were injured. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7828884.stm

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Arabs freely live in Israel and enjoy the benefits. But why are there few, or no Jews living in Arab lands?
Case in point: in 1931, there were 21000 Jews living in Libya. Today there are none.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Libya
Why does racism by Arab nations not really bother you?


Ahem, Arabs live freely in the "Jewish" state. I guess that's why you got so many Arabs in the Israeli government? If it was a fair country for Arabs then you would see many more Arabs in the Israeli parliament as there are currently 20% Arab population in ISrael. What have other Arab lands got to do with this? Let's keep this on topic, shall we? We're talking about Israel. Racism bothers me, but if you consider the real history of Israel and put it in context, then you may understand why there is racism against Jews. Not supporting it, I'm just saying you would expect it with when there has been mass colonisation of other people's land. I condemn all racism, and racism by Jews is included in that as well. Many zionists are the the most racist people i have encountered, so I don't understand what your point is.

Junior wrote:
Sorry to break it to you...but there is no such thing. Let me quote Zuheir Mohsen, former leader of the PLO faction 1971-79


Ha! You listen to a Palestinian when it suits your cause. That's just his opinion. The land there has been called Palestine or "Falestin" as they say in Palestine, long before the creation of Israel. Arab populations were living there long before the creation of Israel. They identify themselves as Palestinians so that's good enough for me, especially given that they are from Palestine!!!!
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who use the term "Zionist" in a pejorative sense really need to rethink their position.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is totally legitimate. No nation can or should be expected to tolerate attacks on its territory. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not in touch with reality.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
People who use the term "Zionist" in a pejorative sense really need to rethink their position.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is totally legitimate. No nation can or should be expected to tolerate attacks on its territory. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not in touch with reality.


How is illegally building settlements the same as not tolerating attacks?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddy24 wrote:
The land there has been called Palestine or "Falestin" as they say in Palestine, long before the creation of Israel. Arab populations were living there long before the creation of Israel. They identify themselves as Palestinians so that's good enough for me, especially given that they are from Palestine!!!!


Actually before June 5th 1967 there was no such thing as the palestinian people. They were Syrian/ Jordanian Arabs.

There is/was no such thing as a palestinian ethnicity, culture, state or language. The present day arabs in the area arrived about a century ago, max. Jews on the other hand have had an unbroken presence there for millenia.
It was the PLO leaders idea to claim lineage from the canaanites and phillistines as a way of legitimising their presence. However we know that the ancient Canaanites became Jews and were assimilated as Israelites by the 8th century.
The name "palestinians" was taken from the ancient Philistines- which were non-semitic people from crete and the aegean. They were indo-europeans. Philistines were defeated both by the ancient israelites as well as the the Assyrians. Either way they disappeared from history.

In fact the word "Phillistines" correctly means "invaders". That is the original meaning of the word.

Do I have to keep quoting high-profile Arab leaders to make you see sense?

"Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian leader Hafez Assad (to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat)

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If it was a fair country for Arabs then you would see many more Arabs in the Israeli parliament as there are currently 20% Arab population in ISrael.


Arab Israelis are well represented in Israeli politics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset
How many Jewish government ministers are there in muslim countries?

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What have other Arab lands got to do with this? Let's keep this on topic, shall we? We're talking about Israel.

Its got everything to do with it. The elephant in the room is that you ignore and are unbothered by massive racism in muslim countries, yet you focus obsessively and excessively on israel. How are Jews treated in Arab countries? This point is entirely relevant to the discussion.

Israel is the only free country in the entire middle east and north africa region.
But for some unfathomable reason you want to see it revert to a backward repressive islamic state like its neighbours.

Did an Israeli guy steal your gf once?
Or is it just a perversely fashionable badge of western culture to be anti-israeli.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
How is illegally building settlements the same as not tolerating attacks?


The settlements are not illegal.

The Geneva convention cannot apply to the occupied territories because they have never been recognised as sovereign territory.

As part of Mandatory Palestine, Judea and Samaria never belonged to any sovereign state, but were occupied and administered illegally by Jordan and Egypt between 1948 and 1967, after the Arab war of aggression against Israel in 1948. And East Jerusalem was captured by Jordan in the war of 1948.

Moreover, the Geneva convention was designed to prohibit the forcible transfer of population into occupied territories, such as was practised by the Nazis and USSR before and during the second world war. But the Israeli settlers in the West Bank made a free choice to move there. And as a country that was attacked, Israel is entirely within its legal rights to retain territory that continues to be used as a base for attacks against it.

Israel has proved that it wants peace - by negotiating peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - and is prepared to give up land, by withdrawing from Gaza. The problem is that Hamas.. by its own admission is out to destroy Israel. Why ought Israel withdraw even further under such conditions?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basing any of your arguments on the biblical history doesn't make your case any stronger and actually makes you seem like a nutter to any rational person.

Look. It's very simple.

The VAST majority of people living in the land that is now ISrael were Arabs. They has no say whatsoever in what was decided upon, it was decided by Britain, the UN and zionists. It should not have been in any of these groups' rights to decide who gets that land. They are all occupiers. WHoever says that Israel's occupation of Palestine is justified thinks that history began when hamas started launching rocket attacks. NO, ISrael was helped founded by other nations and zionists deciding they wanted a piece of land, and it was to be for Jews when the vast majorioty of people living there were not even Jewish. Under your twisted logic the Jews who suffered in Europe as a result of the second world war should take land and thus make the Palestinians (or Arabs, or whatever you wanna call them), the indigenous people, suffer. It's the same mentality as those who were abused going on to commit abuse. Surely they had a right to self-determination? But then you say that that, oh Jews had been living there for so long because of some biblical bullcrap.


The BIBLE IS FALSE. and either way it doesn't grant land to Jews only what kind of sick God would want that to happen anyway.

READ: explain to me how this is justifiable?

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddy24 wrote:
Basing any of your arguments on the biblical history doesn't make your case any stronger



I don't have to base anything on biblical sources to know that the jews have lived in israel for millenia.

Its documented in numerous historical sources. Including even the Koran.The connection between Jewish people and Israel, particularly Jerusalem, is one of the most well-documented facts in history.

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Here is a list of UN resolutions passed against Israel


The UN often acts as an anti-semitic body becuase it is composed of many muslim countries.
Its bias is blatantly obvious if you look at the history.

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Under Jordanian rule the following occurred:

� Fifty-eight synagogues in the ancient Jewish Quarter -some centuries old- were destroyed and desecrated. The Jordanians turned some of them into stables and chicken coops.

The Jordanian Arab Legion desecrated the ancient 2500-year-old Jewish cemetery on the nearby Mount of Olives. A road was built across the ancient cemetery to connect the Intercontinental Hotel to a highway. The Jordanian Arab Legion used tombstones of saintly rabbis for pavement and latrines.

� Despite a provision in the 1949 Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan, permitting Jews to visit their holy places, the Jordanians prohibited Jews from visiting the Western Wall in the Old City or the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. The Hebrew University on Mount Scopus and the Hadassah Hospital were all but cut off and the buildings left derelict.

Despite Jordan's dismal record of complete disrespect for hallowed Jewish holy places, the U.N. did not pass a single resolution decrying it. Compare this to the U.N.'s record of resolutions against Israel. In contrast, Israel's treatment of all holy places in Jerusalem and her surroundings since 1967 has been exemplary. Former President Jimmy Carter said there is "no doubt" that Israel did a better job safeguarding access to the city's holy places than did Jordan.
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http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul03/ihc.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pretend to be concerned about human rights, but all you are doing is selectively engaging in one-sided criticism of israel.

If you were actually worried about human rights, you would be outraged by the actions of Israel's racist enemies.

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61,000 Baghdad residents executed by Saddam: surveySaddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a figure much higher than previously believed, a new study suggests.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shi'ite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality also extended into the capital.

The survey asked 1178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam's regime, with 6.6 per cent saying yes.
The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad's population of 6.39 million people, and average household size of 6.9 people, to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam's rule.

Past estimates were in the low tens of thousands. Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.
The US-led occupation authority in Iraq has said at least 300,000 people were buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000, and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million people were executed.

Without exhumations of the mass graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/09/1070732211173.html
Iranian racism

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Disruption of Mandaean family life: forced marriage and sexual assault In her most recent report to Amnesty International, Professor J.J. Buckley -- an internationally recognised specialist on the Mandaean religion -- has stressed that �the attempt to destroy Mandaean families is increasing, but with a particular focus on women and young girls.� The Mandaean Human Rights Committee has also documented that the Iranian authorities attempt to break up Mandaean families with a particular focus on women and children, pressuring them to convert to Islam and pressuring women to marry Moslem men. Further reports, including those produced by ASUTA (the Journal for the Study and Research into the Mandaean Culture, Religion and Language) indicate that Mandaean parents fear that their children will be kidnapped, and forcibly circumcised, converted to Islam, raped or forcibly married. Regarding the rape of Mandaean girls and women, several reports suggest that Islamic judges would hold that a Moslem male who raped a Mandaean female would be understood to have �purified� her. Accordingly, the Sabian Mandaean Association reports that Mandaean girls have been raped with impunity by Moslem men.

http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/index.html


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Khomeni fatwa killed 30,000
CHILDREN as young as 13 were hanged from cranes, six at a time, in a barbaric two-month purge of Iran's prisons on the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini, according to a new book by his former deputy.

More than 30,000 political prisoners were executed in the 1988 massacre - a far larger number than previously suspected. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran reveal that, because of the large numbers of necks to be broken, prisoners were loaded onto forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hourly intervals


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/1321090/Khomeini-fatwa-led-to-killing-of-30000-in-Iran.html

FACT: Jews now have no chance in arab lands.
FACT: Israel's enemies launched a war of annihilation -nakba-against all the Jews of the area. That's a war crime or an attempted war crime.They sided with the Nazis.. another war crime. They persectued arab jews: that is another crime.

Funny how you demand that Israel make good for its wrongs... but don't think that Israel's enemies ought to be held accountable for their wrongs.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior, don't tell me i don't care about human rights. I am well aware there are governments who oppress their own people and commit crimes and yes, that includes many arab and muslim nations. No one is denying that. I hope one day that the people of Libya, iran etc. will find their own representative governments and find their human rights.

It just shows your insecurity (or sheer bigotry, I don't know which.. maybe both) that you have to bring it up when it's not the topic of discussion. What is going on in those countries does not justify the criminal actions of the israeli government. What happened to the Palestinians is nothing to do with them. Israel has attacked or said it wants to attack all of it's neighbours e.g. Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc...
Almost all governments have done terrible things and restricted the rights of their own people to some extent. You just seem incapable of acknowledging any Israeli crimes. Frankly, your insistence to bring up the Arab nations smacks of sheer bigotry and not out of a genuine desire for human rights for Arabs.

And your logic dictates that Jews deserve land because they lived there thousands of years ago. How absurd. Most of the Jews that now live in Israel came from Europe and only moved there after WW2 and after the UN (which you hate) helped created Israel. They weren't living there immediately prior to that. Mostly Arabs were living there , and for many generations. Only a small minority of Jews lived there. What were they to do? Just say, 'Hey come on in! take over our land, we don't belong here. You are the sacred Jewish ones, we'll just *beep* off to some other Arab nation where we belong!" No where else in the world would people accept that, so why in Palestine?

By that same logic Koreans should go to start living in Mongolia and claim it as their own, after all they descended from the Mongols and it was ordained by the Korean fairy godmother. Sounds crazy but not really that different.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
Fox wrote:
People who use the term "Zionist" in a pejorative sense really need to rethink their position.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is totally legitimate. No nation can or should be expected to tolerate attacks on its territory. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not in touch with reality.


How is illegally building settlements the same as not tolerating attacks?


I didn't say it was. The occupation of the land itself is the result of not tolerating attacks, and the continued occupation of the land is the result of a continued unwillingness to be subject to attacks. Since certain persons have repeatedly bemoaned not merely how Israel has handled the occupation of Palestinian territory but rather the occupation itself, it's a fair point to address.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Menino80 wrote:
Fox wrote:
People who use the term "Zionist" in a pejorative sense really need to rethink their position.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is totally legitimate. No nation can or should be expected to tolerate attacks on its territory. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not in touch with reality.


How is illegally building settlements the same as not tolerating attacks?


I didn't say it was. The occupation of the land itself is the result of not tolerating attacks, and the continued occupation of the land is the result of a continued unwillingness to be subject to attacks. Since certain persons have repeatedly bemoaned not merely how Israel has handled the occupation of Palestinian territory but rather the occupation itself, it's a fair point to address.


Those rocket attacks are nothing in comparison to the destruction that Israel has rained down on Gaza. Rockets are fires because of the occupation. Even the US officially condemns these settlements, yet Israel continues building and bulldozing Palestinian homes. Hamas are idiots though because they give the excuse for Israel to do it, but their actions are not justifiable IMO. They need to end the occupation, and the US should quit providing Israel with aid. It is a relatively rich country, with one of the strongest militaries in the world.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddy24 wrote:

Those rocket attacks are nothing ...


I don't care what you think they are or aren't; your judgment of how bad these attacks are or why they occur is irrelevant. No nation can be expected to tolerate attacks on its sovereign territory. You expect Israel to tolerate attacks on its sovereign territory, and thus you're clearly not engaging in this matter rationally, but rather taking an emotional, anti-Israeli position and then trying to twist the facts to defend that case. Hardly a unique or unusual phenomenon.
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