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Grammar rules: Because everyone says it
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
mmstyle wrote:
I also find "I'm good" to be endlessly annoying (as opposed to "I'm well")

Depends on the question. If a movie character sees a guy with superpowers and wants to know which side of the law he's on, "I'm good!" would be an entirely appropriate answer for a hero.


good, when used as an adjective, has many meanings. nothing wrong with saying "i'm good."

"i'm doing good" is a mistake, though.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"i'm doing good" is a mistake, though.


Not so. Mother Theresa, for example, did a lot of good.
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mmstyle



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was referring to it as a response to "How are you?" "I'm good" has become a more common response than "I'm well." Obviously, I know that in American English, (at least) no one (well, most) cares anymore. This, again, is why I ask about being a grammar tyrant. I often wonder if I am too much of a hardarse. When I am teaching, I tend to let things go for the sake of simply getting my students to communicate.

IRL, it has just been pointed out to me that communicative competence is more important, and if they are functionally equivalent, then it ought not matter. If you are improving communicative ability/competence by correcting form, then you are helping (or if not doing it, doing a disservice).
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmstyle wrote:
I was referring to it as a response to "How are you?" "I'm good" has become a more common response than "I'm well." Obviously, I know that in American English, (at least) no one (well, most) cares anymore. This, again, is why I ask about being a grammar tyrant. I often wonder if I am too much of a hardarse. When I am teaching, I tend to let things go for the sake of simply getting my students to communicate.

IRL, it has just been pointed out to me that communicative competence is more important, and if they are functionally equivalent, then it ought not matter. If you are improving communicative ability/competence by correcting form, then you are helping (or if not doing it, doing a disservice).


if you are a grammar tyrant, please tell me why "i'm good" as aresponse to "how are you?" is incorrect? just because?

good's an adjective with many meanings - beyond being a "do-gooder." if it's wrong to say "i'm good" it must also be wrong to say "i'm sad" or "i'm hungry." these are adjectives used after be.

if you are to say "i'm good" is incorrect, the burden of proof is on you.

this link says i'm right:

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/good-versus-well.aspx

You may take issue with it but i've yet to find a single source that says good is incorrect.

BTW, edwartcatflap, i wasnt clear. i meant to say "i'm doing good" is wrong as a response to "how are you doing?" perhaps an acceptable response for W to "what is George W Bush doing?" though. Wink wink.
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mmstyle



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nukeday, I'm not out to prove anything. I said "I'm good" until it was drilled out of me. Thanks for the link, it was the same one I found when I was looking into the whole idea. I'm not claiming to be a grammar tyrant, I'm asking if I am too much of one for EFL. But, I ask in the spirit of trying to create a discussion, not a debate, which never works on Dave's. Wink

To what degree do you allow your linguistic preferences dominate how and what you teach? If a student wrote less where fewer ought to be written I would mark it wrong, though I do hear it frequently spoken that way.

Do you think rules ought to change once something becomes common in the English language that was once incorrect? Technology has drastically upped the rate at which our language changes. I, for one, think graded papers should not be written using internet abbreviations, but I would not be at all surprised if my youngest niece wants to turn her papers in with that kind of thing on them. Would you accept a paper like this?
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach elementary students, so at that age the goal is one of fluency rather than accuracy. I think there always has to be balance between the two.

If they are university bound students preparing for an exam, or business students, or etc - I'd aim for accuracy more.

Formal writing? Absolutely, correct them. You're not even supposed to use contractions in formal writing though...so how accurate do you want to be?
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MattAwesome



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

machinoman wrote:
my favorite is when people misuse 'literally'. i was watching access hollywood once. they were talking about about a movie premiere where sarah michelle geller apparently "literally slayed on the red carpet." needless to say, i was shocked.

then this is definitely for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lepM8VCGN7c @3:00
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