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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because Koreans have their homepages set to www.naver.com
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
Bought the new 51 inch plasma from Samsung last week. The best price I could find on it was 1.3 million. When the delivery guy installed it, he asked how I liked it. I told him it would be great if you could buy it for $700 like in the U.S. Had to show him different U.S. websites with the exact same model for that price for him to believe me.

Tried to buy a DVD player to go with it. All the stores had meager selection (2-3 different models) and most were POS. Yet they were still priced 2-4 times what they would cost in the U.S. Seriously. U.S. Costco sells a BR player for about $120 right now. In Korea, it's close to 400,000 won.


Madoka, did you get a DVD or Blu-ray player?


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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
Why do Korean companies charge Koreans more for domestic products?

The Genesis in the states is about 20,000 cheaper.
My girlfriend is buying a Kia which is 18k in the states, and $26,000 in Korea.
BMWs are 2 times more expensive here.

How do they get away with this?


It is simple. Since Korea started signing free trade agreements they were unable to put high tariffs on products imported from overseas. But tariffs are only one way to stop prducts coming in.

In the case of cars the USA-Korea FTA left off cars because Obama accuses Seoul of changing its car safety and emissions standards just to exclude American cars which are mostly larger.

With the i-phone it is well known that the Korean government put a falso obstacle in the way of Apple and tried to make it reconfigure it's phones to adapt to the Korean "system". Well they kept the charade up for just long enough the Samsung could copy the i-phone and release the Galaxy phone. Then Seoul "mercifully relented" on Apple after it's goal had been released.

Australia has denied NZ apples for 80 years on health and safety grounds claiming there is an infection.

Countries do it all the time. Korea tries to do it as much as possible when there is a fair trade agreement in place. Countries without a Free Trade agreement with Korea get their produces slapped with 20% 40% or 80%
Tarriffs so that Korean ones can compete.

When you restrict overseas competition, then local firms can charge as much as they want until people will not pay.

Prices are only cheaper in the West because there is an open market. An open market and price competition is what drives prices down. Closed markets like Korea is what drives them up.

Go to Japan, it is just the same there. Things are insanely expensive.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/05/123_24834.html


^Some are aware, but most are pretty ignorant about it. But it looks like a lot of people are opening their eyes.
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Radius



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
Slowmotion wrote:
Why do Korean companies charge Koreans more for domestic products?

The Genesis in the states is about 20,000 cheaper.
My girlfriend is buying a Kia which is 18k in the states, and $26,000 in Korea.
BMWs are 2 times more expensive here.

How do they get away with this?


It is simple. Since Korea started signing free trade agreements they were unable to put high tariffs on products imported from overseas. But tariffs are only one way to stop prducts coming in.

In the case of cars the USA-Korea FTA left off cars because Obama accuses Seoul of changing its car safety and emissions standards just to exclude American cars which are mostly larger.

With the i-phone it is well known that the Korean government put a falso obstacle in the way of Apple and tried to make it reconfigure it's phones to adapt to the Korean "system". Well they kept the charade up for just long enough the Samsung could copy the i-phone and release the Galaxy phone. Then Seoul "mercifully relented" on Apple after it's goal had been released.

Australia has denied NZ apples for 80 years on health and safety grounds claiming there is an infection.

Countries do it all the time. Korea tries to do it as much as possible when there is a fair trade agreement in place. Countries without a Free Trade agreement with Korea get their produces slapped with 20% 40% or 80%
Tarriffs so that Korean ones can compete.

When you restrict overseas competition, then local firms can charge as much as they want until people will not pay.

Prices are only cheaper in the West because there is an open market. An open market and price competition is what drives prices down. Closed markets like Korea is what drives them up.

Go to Japan, it is just the same there. Things are insanely expensive.


Clear and concise explanation. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On disputed Korea/American free trade on automobiles:

"Korea rejects Ford claims on closed auto market
From The Detroit NewsNovember 05, 2010

The Korean Embassy today rejected Ford Motor Co's contention that its market is closed to import vehicles.

Ford is running advertisements in newspapers in Michigan, Illinois, Ohio and Missouri � as well as Washington, D.C., papers � today calling on the U.S. Trade Representative to negotiate changes to the Korea Free Trade Agreement to boost U.S. auto exports.

"The Korea auto market has continued to open to foreign imports," the Korean Embassy statement said.

The embassy noted that the market share for imported passenger cars in 2008 was 7.2 percent - and that imports have been growing by an averge of 41 percent a year since 2000.

Korean officials also note that imports are generally more expensive vehicles than Korean-built vehicles - and that the import market share by sales value was 19.1 percent in 2008.

The agreement will eliminate the current 8 percent tarrif on imported U.S. vehicles. Korean officials said other provisions will lead to "unprecedented enforcement" to prevent other barriers to U.S. exports.

But Ford notes two previous trade agreements reached in the 1990s failed to do more to boost exports. They also say "non tariff" barriers are the key hurdle to U.S. exports.

They also note that autos account for nearly three quarters of the U.S. trade deficit with Korea.

Working-level discussions on the U.S.-Korea trade agreement are taking place today and tomorrow between Assistant United States Trade Representative Wendy Cutler and Korean Deputy Trade Minister Choi Seok-young Last year, about 7,600 U.S.-built vehicles were purchased in Korea, versus more than 411,000 exported to the U.S.

Through August, the U.S. auto sector trade deficit with Korea was $6.8 billion � up from $4.8 billion over the same period in 2009.

But U.S. auto sector exports to Korea increased to $464 million � more than double the $223 million in the same period in 2009.

The Korea Embassy also notes that General Motors Co. owns Korea's fourth largest automaker, GM-Daewoo. And they note that Japanese and European automakers now export about 80,000 vehicles to Korea annually."
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?


It would be nice if they could be made aware of a variety of issues. So who's gonna get the newspapers, TV stations, schools, and everyone else on board to break the news? Until you get local Korean mainstream media/instituion-level support going in a concerted and sustained manner, it's just a pipe dream. And certain people are aware of it, and relish in it, because they know how to work it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Anyone else notice this from the OP?

Quote:
Needed the computer ASAP for the NBA playoffs this morning


So before you blame evil Cheabols and bad Korean economic policies, consider that.

So given the responses here, it seems most of us support supply-side economic policies favored by the Bush administration. Cheap consumer goods are what drives an economy.

I don't care if the prices here are higher. I care about Ulsan and Pohang not turning into the unemployment wastelands of Flint, Detroit, and other Rust Belt cities. If higher domestic prices allow Joe Kim Ajosshi to keep on having his job and therefore having the money to send his kid to our Hagwons, thereby providing us with employment, I am all for it.

Cheap Fancy Cell Phones are a luxury. A decent paying job is a necessity.

Quote:
After successfully crushing the aspirations of the people in order to fleece them and live high on the hog


So how many Korean people lived in abject poverty in 1945? Where did Korea rank economically rank at that point? How many people live in abject poverty now? Where does Korea rank economically now?
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?


Gas is essentially free in Venezuela, and like $4.00+ in California. People in CA bitch about gas prices all the time. But if you go to Europe, it's almost 2x as expensive. Consumers are probably well aware of the price disparity of gasoline around the world yet they cannot do jack about it. You can't f with big business and you can't really change where you live (as absurd as that sounds, it's the case for 99.99% of the world's population).

In Korea, the conglomerates control the entire food chain in Korea, they have too much power and influence. If you suddenly were to cut their profits, they'd probably have to lay off people to compensate. When people lose jobs the economy suffers. Samsung manufacturers most of its electronics prime materials, assembles everything, and distributes their products often through their own channels (not so much lately). Samsung is one of the top employers in Korea. They own the buildings that you live in, some cars that you drive, they extend you lines of credit, list goes on and on. Samsung and other conglomerates control a huge part of the economy so they can do pretty much anything with prices.

Samsung is, however, a very inefficient company. The different companies in the group don't really have any cost synergies and it would be good for the company and the country to have a bunch of different spinoffs. But it's important to remember that it's still a family business. What family wants to dissolve their business?

I think it's gonna take a company like Apple or Google to come in and really shake things up.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

legrande wrote:
Slowmotion wrote:
@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?


It would be nice if they could be made aware of a variety of issues. So who's gonna get the newspapers, TV stations, schools, and everyone else on board to break the news? Until you get local Korean mainstream media/instituion-level support going in a concerted and sustained manner, it's just a pipe dream. And certain people are aware of it, and relish in it, because they know how to work it.

a viral video on youtube could do the trick
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Did Anyone else notice this from the OP?

Quote:
Needed the computer ASAP for the NBA playoffs this morning


So before you blame evil Cheabols and bad Korean economic policies, consider that.

So given the responses here, it seems most of us support supply-side economic policies favored by the Bush administration. Cheap consumer goods are what drives an economy.

I don't care if the prices here are higher. I care about Ulsan and Pohang not turning into the unemployment wastelands of Flint, Detroit, and other Rust Belt cities. If higher domestic prices allow Joe Kim Ajosshi to keep on having his job and therefore having the money to send his kid to our Hagwons, thereby providing us with employment, I am all for it.

Cheap Fancy Cell Phones are a luxury. A decent paying job is a necessity.

Quote:
After successfully crushing the aspirations of the people in order to fleece them and live high on the hog


So how many Korean people lived in abject poverty in 1945? Where did Korea rank economically rank at that point? How many people live in abject poverty now? Where does Korea rank economically now?


I don't think chaebols are evil, I just think that they are super inefficient. I agree that consumer electronics aren't the most important thing in the world, but the protectionism is going to end up costing Korea in the long run.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
legrande wrote:
Slowmotion wrote:
@liveinkorea316 thanks for you insight. I enjoyed reading your post.

Question, do Koreans know they are being ripped off or are they ignorant to it? If the are unaware, can changes likely be brought if Koreans are made aware?


It would be nice if they could be made aware of a variety of issues. So who's gonna get the newspapers, TV stations, schools, and everyone else on board to break the news? Until you get local Korean mainstream media/instituion-level support going in a concerted and sustained manner, it's just a pipe dream. And certain people are aware of it, and relish in it, because they know how to work it.

a viral video on youtube could do the trick


I think it could raise a few eyebrows before it magically disappeared. In the best case you'd get one or two sensational ones that slip through, then nothing more, or sporadically a few after that. Look at what happened to the case of the actress who hanged herself (the things she talked about in her letter- that is some nasty, evil scat, and she isn't the only one who's brought up the issue). If you're a guy and want to protest that you're being overworked and undercompensated, i.e. flat out exploited, be prepared to be tasered in the face.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

methdxman wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Did Anyone else notice this from the OP?

Quote:
Needed the computer ASAP for the NBA playoffs this morning


So before you blame evil Cheabols and bad Korean economic policies, consider that.

So given the responses here, it seems most of us support supply-side economic policies favored by the Bush administration. Cheap consumer goods are what drives an economy.

I don't care if the prices here are higher. I care about Ulsan and Pohang not turning into the unemployment wastelands of Flint, Detroit, and other Rust Belt cities. If higher domestic prices allow Joe Kim Ajosshi to keep on having his job and therefore having the money to send his kid to our Hagwons, thereby providing us with employment, I am all for it.

Cheap Fancy Cell Phones are a luxury. A decent paying job is a necessity.

Quote:
After successfully crushing the aspirations of the people in order to fleece them and live high on the hog


So how many Korean people lived in abject poverty in 1945? Where did Korea rank economically rank at that point? How many people live in abject poverty now? Where does Korea rank economically now?


I don't think chaebols are evil, I just think that they are super inefficient. I agree that consumer electronics aren't the most important thing in the world, but the protectionism is going to end up costing Korea in the long run.


Whereas free-trade has done what to the American Working and Middle Class?

Cheap imported cars (and the companies/unions own stupidity) have turned the place I grew up (SE Michigan) from a giant into a dinosaur.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now and then the news breaks about some high price fixing tactics in Korea. But rarely. Even though it's going on to a ridiculous extent.

Three summers ago the MBC investigative program, PD Diary, did a report on the practices of food distributors in Korea. I remember Koreans being pretty shocked when they saw that watermelon farmers were getting only around 500 won per watermelon......yet they were showing up in the supermarkets for 18,000 won.

I certainly don't believe that Korean domestic pricing is following a normal supply and demand pattern. The prices are being skewed all over the place by middle-men.


Then there's my little suspicion that a lot of middle-class and rich Koreans take a kind of perverse pride in the high prices. Makes them feel they're in a high-quality high-cost country (like Japan!) suiting their elevated status.
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