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edwardcatflap
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| I knew a guy from 'Norvern' England who couldn't say the 'th' sound in the middle of words. I think it was some sort of cockney thing... he'd go on and on about his 'bruvva' did 'sumfin' the 'uvva day'... it was really hard to believe that he was teaching ESL. I suppose he could have had a speech impediment, but I really think that it was his accent. |
1) It wasn't a cockney thing - Cockneys come from East London
2) Working class Mancunians (people from Manchester) speak like this. If he was speaking like this, he was either, trying to look cool and confuse you, or he was actually a member of the working class and therefore must have forged his degree certificate. Either way he's not worth bothering with |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| It was actually kind of amazing-- some of the sounds that he was substituting for the 'th' seemed a lot harder to pull off... but he nailed it every time. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
2) Working class Mancunians (people from Manchester) speak like this. If he was speaking like this, he was either, trying to look cool and confuse you, or he was actually a member of the working class and therefore must have forged his degree certificate. Either way he's not worth bothering with |
This is really funny haha. It might offend a few Northern monkeys though.
(Hyeon Een = Not working class southerner) |
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't offend my Northern sensibilities, so much as it enrages my inner socialist. The assumption here is that working class people cannot go to university.
It is possible isn't it, that someone could go through university and choose to speak with the accent they were brought up with rather than choosing to posh-up, and go all received pronunciation?
The guy who presents the current BBC series on the Universe, Brian Cox, has a strong Manchester accent, and is a Professor of Astrophysics. Admittedly, he is irritating at times, but that's beside the point. My point is that many people have regional accents and are highly educated. The assumption that your accent reflects your intellectual ability is class-based middle England snobbery, and is one of the reasons I'm glad I'm an expat. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've posted this before, but it's absolutely fantastic, IMO. It also shows how diverse British can be. We don't all sound like Hugh Grant or Ray Winstone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaTTVR2JXY |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Never mind the Bollocks here's The Sex Pistols. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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In all honesty, I've never met an American who I couldn't understand. The accents don't seem to differ as wildly as in the UK, plus we hear the US accent all the time in various media forms.
I've had a tougher time understanding some people in the UK (even though I was born and bred there). |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I've had a tougher time understanding some people in the UK (even though I was born and bred there). |
I can remember going to Bath and thinking that their accent didn't sound so different from mine, but then I also remember watching a film about the working class in Northern England, and they had to include subtitles so that the N. Americans could understand what they were saying.
Also, I'm so glad that I grew up in a country that doesn't get so uptight about class and social background... |
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jacksthirty
Joined: 30 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool. The three great comedy accents of England! |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
Also, I'm so glad that I grew up in a country that doesn't get so uptight about class and social background... |
Were you born in China? |
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| jacksthirty wrote: |
| Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool. The three great comedy accents of England! |
"!$*&!"$%! |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| Never mind the Bollocks here's The Sex Pistols. |
Good stuff! |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Seems a little odd.
When I talk to my Aussie/Kiwi/South African friends, I speak just as I would to my friends back home.
However, many Americans don't understand very basic slang and idioms, so I often have to slow down the conversation and speak to our US friends and treat them as non native speakers. |
Fixed that for ya. 
In all honesty, it's not the colloquialisms.
Some of the Aussies I speak with talk mad fast,
and their words run together at lightning speed.
If you haven't learned to slow down your speech pattern
as a teacher, you will soon enough.
I can't wait for a school to tell me to use a British
accent. I sound quite like Hugh Grant. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
In all honesty, I've never met an American who I couldn't understand. The accents don't seem to differ as wildly as in the UK, plus we hear the US accent all the time in various media forms.
I've had a tougher time understanding some people in the UK (even though I was born and bred there). |
You may have met Americans that had neutral or west coast accents.
I spent much of my youth growing up on the eastern seaboard and in the dirty south. I guarantee you that some of those drawaallls would be trouble for as many people as those quick, snappy Jersey accents are.
Maybe you've got a good ear! |
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