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roknroll

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just saying here West coast..read the quoted passage from Madoka's post please.
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And for the record, yeah, this sort of brutality is quite commonplace in our home countries as well:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/issues/factoryfarming/eggs/
"In one notorious case of extraordinary cruelty at Ward Egg Ranch in February 2003 in San Diego County, California, more than 15,000 spent laying hens were tossed alive into a wood-chipping machine to dispose of them. Despite tremendous outcry from a horrified public, the district attorney declined to prosecute the owners of the egg farm, calling the use of a wood-chipper to kill hens a "common industry practice." |
West coast you say this is a Korea life discussion board and it is. But you are the one who said things like this would not go unpunished in the US or other Western nations so the comparison example posted by madoka becomes quite relevant. As for the stupid ignorant implication that KOREANS do not care about issue X, it is laughable. This is about A BUNCH OF FARMERS trying to protect their livelihood. They went the wrong way about it but they sure do not REPRESENT all KOREANS.
By the way my wife told me about this story before I read it here and she was horrified and angry. So I guess theres ONE KOREAN that is not part of the hive mind right?  |
I think both sides here are missing the boat. This is about a government mandated culling carried out by the relevant gov't dept (with the help of others such as soldiers etc)--> not to be confused with isolated cases of acts by individuals/companies abroad nor with any individual farmer or farming group here or abroad:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/01/117_79769.html
and here:
http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-welfare/blog/stop-south-korea-from-burying-pigs-alive/
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According to Reuters this has led to, �Hundreds of thousands of authorities working day and night to slaughter the animals.�
The South Korean government is using a horrific method to end the lives of these animals � especially the pigs.
They are ordering farmers, soldiers and local officials to pile thousands of pigs into trucks and drop them into mass graves where they are buried alive.
Animal activists worldwide have protested the atrocity, but Korean bureaucrats continue to ignore their pleas. The government is justifying use the cruel method because of a shortage of anesthetics in the country. |
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| According to the domestic law on animal epidemics and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) Guideline on the Killing of Animals for Disease Control Purposes, animals must be killed before burial. Korea is a member of OIE. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12477787 :
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Bobby Waugh, who ran a pig fattening farm in Heddon-on-the-Wall, Northumberland, was found guilty of nine animal health and cruelty charges.
...Waugh was convicted of two counts of causing unnecessary suffering to pigs and cleared on two similar charges.
He was banned from keeping animals for 15 years, ordered to pay �10,000 prosecution costs and a clean-up bill of �30,000.
He could not pay, was made bankrupt and lost his farm. |
On the other hand, farmers here (as well as many others including animal activists etc) are of course upset/sickened/outraged.....
http://www.gazettenet.com/2011/02/04/south-korean-livestock-culling-takes-emotional-toll-farmers
And of course it extends to others involved....
from here again:
http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-welfare/blog/stop-south-korea-from-burying-pigs-alive/
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| The massive killings are taking a toll on the farmers, soldiers, police, health officials and other workers who have been forced to end the lives of the animals. |
So of course the gov't isn't going to punish itself after deciding on its course of action. Yes this should be distinguished on the basis of mass( gov't) vs individual(proprietors/companies) undertakings whereby individuals are liable for punishment but the gov't won't punish itself. And finally, yes the farmer will likely be more adversely affected than people such as ourselves who are disconnected from the process of bringing livestock to market (and yes people are blissfully unaware or indifferent or somewhat concerned or.... about what occurred in order for that tasty piece of meat to be plopped on their dinner plate). |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| smartwentcrazy wrote: |
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
Sounds like somebody's got an inferiority complex.
And I will add, this is a discussion forum related to life in Korea. This isn't the American job discussion forum. This isn't the Australian job discussion forum. It is about Korea. So, it is pretty desperate when you try to show stats from other countries in an attempt to deflect what is happening in Korea. Man, and you are the one talking about being small minded. However, I am not surprised that you like to pull out the petty and shallow insults as you've done so often on posts here. It is called insecurity. Attention seeking. The point of this post is about the atrocity that was committed in Korea. Where is the outrage? Isn't this a place which protests like crazy if the US sends a hamburger over? I don't doubt that there are Koreans who are upset over this, but I would like to see if anything is being done to stop it. On the Korean end. And please, mad, stay on topic. Focus on the issue at hand. |
Atrocity? As far as I can tell, you're the only simple minded person in this discussion. An atrocity would be the genocide and ethnic cleansing happening all over the world right now. An atrocity would be the mass killings and unspeakable crimes committed against innocent HUMANS in every country at every minute. An atrocity is NOT the culling of diseased animals that have the potential to cripple a country's entire agricultural industry. Admittedly, the farmers could've disposed of these animals in a more tactful manner, but the main concern was to halt the transmission of the disease. There was no malicious intent behind this culling. The farmers weren't getting their jollies on from putting these pigs in these graves. Action has already been taken and the farmers responsible have been rephrimanded by government officials. What more do you want you simpleton? The complete liberation of animals? Maybe you should focus your time on more pressing matters that are affecting PEOPLE everyday. |
The only simpleton is you.
If everybody thought like you, people would still be sending children down coal mines, agreeing with the rights of certain cultures to remove their females clitorises in our countries' hospitals, and seeing nothing wrong with the everyday abuse and cruelty to animals that still passes for normal in so many Asian countries.
On that note, more Koreans are becoming aware of the vile abuses inflicted on dogs to provide an unnecessary, fake stamina-supposedly-inducing meal to Korean males as well as other animal cruelty issues precisely because of western culture.
Read accounts of old Korea such as "The Passing of Korea" and you'll understand that cruelty to animals and other living creatures was just part of life in the early 20th century when some western countries were starting to think that some if not all animals needed to be protected from abuse, and unnecessary cruelty if they were raised as food.
There is still a long way to go in Korea as the dogmeat trade shows and as the absolutely unwarranted boiling of cats alive to make soup shows. The redundant peasant supersititions that accompany this disgusting trade show the need for 20th - 21st century legislation re animals in Korea.
Burying animals alive is just cruel. However, given a few years back a town that didn't want an American base had people tearing a pig to pieces in front of cruel and stupid Koreans including the local mayor as a 'protest' and a few years ago foreigners in Mokpo were shocked to see Koreans including Korean employees of a zoo watch while other Koreans threw tortoises around and jabbed with sticks or hit with rocks other zoo inhabitants, it's clear that there is an "I don't get why it's wrong" attitude to animal cruelty and abuse.
Attack posters with higher standards by all means, but you come across as the ignorant and hateful person you obviously are in real-time. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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As someone who grew up on a farm this whole incident is trully apalling.
Some people have said that the farmers concerned and some Government Officials have been reprimanded, well big deal...
If this happened in any first world country.
Government Officials would be named and shamed on national TV and newspapers, they would lose their jobs.
The farmers involved would be charged $1000's in fines, also, for something like that. most likely imprisoned. They would be forbidden from owning livestock again or for a period of years (possibly 10 years as has happened in NZ in extreme cases of animal cruelty). In other words they would lose their livelyhood, they would also be ostracised by the farming community.
How people can think this is Korea bashing surprises me. What that video portrays is disgusting and inhumane behaviour. It should not be accepted in any country, it is just barbaric treatment. It should be talked about and discussed but Korea bashing it's not.
This video was made by Korean's, you could hear one of the people involved in the production openly sobbing at one stage.
CARE Korea, wants this out and about and viewed on forums and discussed CARE wants a public reaction and outcry. Anyone supporting this video and saying that anyone denigrating it is a Korean basher is missing the whole point.
Korean's are saying the behaviour of their fellow Korean's is uinacceptable, I for one agree with them.
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fromafar
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: This video made me rage!! Animal cruelty! |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbOMH19LKgY&feature=player_embedded
Has this type of mass savage killing been known to happen in other first world countries? This just seems so inhumane and sick to do to any animal regardless of the circumstance.
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First world countries? Canada and Japan aren't much better/humane in their ways either.
Canada and the baby seal cullings.
The seals are born in March and for the first few weeks of their lives they are nurtured by their mothers. But at just 12 days old, when their white coats change colour, it is no longer against the law to hunt them. Only in Russia can �whitecoat� seals still be culled.
Last year, 98.5 per cent of the 224,000 pups killed off of Canada's shores were under three months old
Japanese and their mass dolphin killings
http://www.undercoverednews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dolphin-hunt.jpg |
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fromafar
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: This video made me rage!! Animal cruelty! |
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| jimmyjames1982 wrote: |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbOMH19LKgY&feature=player_embedded
Has this type of mass savage killing been known to happen in other first world countries? This just seems so inhumane and sick to do to any animal regardless of the circumstance.
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First world countries? Look at some of your home countries even. Hardly humane either. Barbaric even?
Canada and the baby seal cullings.
The seals are born in March and for the first few weeks of their lives they are nurtured by their mothers. But at just 12 days old, when their white coats change colour, it is no longer against the law to hunt them. .
Last year, 98.5 per cent of the 224,000 pups killed off of Canada's shores were under three months old
http://www.sealaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/canadian-seal-hunt2.jpg
Japanese and their mass dolphin killings
http://www.undercoverednews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dolphin-hunt.jpg |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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I absolutely agree with you.
I think anybody advocating for an end to vile and despicable animal cruelty and abuse OPPOSES clubbing seals, battery hens and cattle/pigs in tiny pens, fox fighting contests in London, dogfighting, whaling for the sake of it like the Japanese do because the idea they have the right to enter into other country's waters just because they used to whale on the Japanese coast is absolutely irrational and arrogant as well as cruel, and one of the worst instances of all, the dolphin hunt in Taji, coastal Japan, where they batter dolphins to death because their uneducated, poor, peasant ancestors did.
However, there are solid laws in western country prohibiting common animal cruelty and abuse, right down to prison sentences. There are government and non profit organisations as well as community groups that raise money for and protect animals, both domestic, wild and livestock. Most of the practices that are common in Korea are against the law in western countries and subject to punishments including financial penalties and prison sentences.
The sad fact is Korea is far behind on this issue, both practically and in concept, as many Koreans have absolutely little to no idea of why other Koreans should not be able to keep dogs in tiny boxes before they beat them to death as well as strangling them.
They do not concern themselves at all with backwards Koreans boiling cats alive to make a soup from their bones (supposedly this protects them from 'swine' flu) while at the same time you will hear plenty of Koreans slagging off backwards Chinese for eating cats. If Korean society had any real awareness of cruelty to animals they would not have those hellish dog markets where other unfortunate creatures such as cats also are tormented and killed. Neighbourhoods would oppose them, local govt would be enacting legislation against them.
There is no community will to stop the systematic cruelty to and abuse of animals in Korea. Where are the politicians calling for those Koreans who actually kidnap people's pet dogs and cats off the streets as well as sweeping them for strays to sell and butcher in markets to be subject to laws and penalties? Where are community leaders doing this? Where are the Koreans who insist on broadcasting their national pride everywhere taking a long hard look at these third world practices and realising it is not what a first world country tolerates?
Only a minority of Koreans are prepared to see it for what it is. That's the difference between Korea and western countries with anti animal cruelty and abuse laws. |
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itistime
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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It seems this has turned into a Korean bashing issue. Granted, I can see how on some issues Korean bashing is pseudo-justified. This is not one of them.
"Still, I think that there are far too many people who will see this video, be disgusted, and then happily go out for some samgyupsal, not realizing that the dirty, overbred drooling pigs that they use to make samgyupsal are lined up, have their throats slit, and writhe around on the floor while convulsing and evacuating themselves."
If one wants to see a halt to this type of activity, raising your support for being a vegetarian is the biggest voice you can have. Raising animals like the majority of nations do, for human consumption, is the biggest atrocity on the planet. If one wanted to make ONE decision that improves environmental conditions around the globe, they would become a vegetarian. Simple.
The bigger issue here; yes BIGGER....is that our water supply and soil has been contaminated with FandMD. Bottled water companies in Korea are making money hand over fist nowadays. One company in Jeju has doubled their profits in this short amount of time due to the hysteria. Your bottled water comes from your tap the majority of the time anyways. People are stupid that's just how it is. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Death is cruel.
The difference in cruelty between being shot in the back of the head and being suffocated by being buried alive is about 2 minutes of pain.
I mean death by landslide isn't great, and death by drive-by sure sounds better, but death-by-landslide sure beats a lot of things. Heck, I'd take it over the gas chamber. |
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RMNC

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You either eat meat and learn to look at animals as a product, or you stop eating meat and recognize their cognizance. |
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